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pricelessppp
20th December 2015, 05:03 PM
Looking for a Christmas Gift.Are any of these good race spec mini drones?

DYS X160 Micro FPV Racing Quadcopter - ARF Super Combo with VTxhttp://www.amazon.com/DYS-X160-Micro-Racing-Quadcopter/dp/B0183KJDYC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450644739&sr=8-1&keywords=DYS+X160

ZMR180 180mm Full Carbon Fiber Mini FPV Racing Quad Quadcopter Frame Combo set w PDB Board ex2204 motor IPEAKA 10A Simonk ESC DAL 4045 Propeller Naze RV5 6DOF Flight Controllerhttp://www.amazon.com/ZMR180-Carbon-Quadcopter-Propeller-Controller/dp/B0179V4SZK/ref=pd_sim_sbs_21_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=51aNJUTOuBL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=0T4XTJXNP9VT3F9MFKMK

Crazepony H180 FPV Racing Quadcopter Carbon Fiber Frame Kit (EMAX MT1806 CC3D OneShot 125 12A ESC and Gemfan BN 4045 Props)http://www.amazon.com/Crazepony-Racing-Quadcopter-Carbon-OneShot/dp/B018HOOAJW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450644612&sr=8-1&keywords=180+racing+drone
Eachine Racer 250 FPV Drone Built in 5.8G Transmitter OSD With HD Camera ARF Versionhttp://www.amazon.com/Eachine-Racer-Transmitter-Camera-Version/dp/B014SIR0NY/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1450645296&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=echine+250

Are these race drones competition spec?I am willing to build one if i have to.

mrsatov
22nd December 2015, 10:26 AM
Avoid the DYS x160 like the plague.

pricelessppp
22nd December 2015, 03:57 PM
Avoid the DYS x160 like the plague.
Why and do you know any one that size that is good?Even a kit?

mrsatov
22nd December 2015, 07:44 PM
Why and do you know any one that size that is good?Even a kit?
Well, There is a V2 of it, but really, even if the problem is fixed, their fix kinda ruins it for me. I have the V1, and started a thread on RCGroups for it. We've been coming up with solutions and such (none so far have proven successful - but not all theories have been tested), including one guy who designed a new bottom plate and had Armattan make it for him. He received it today/yesterday and posted a photo. The idea with this is to use his own ESCs, but still use the rest. It's a pretty damn good/smart solution to the problem - but not the cheapest way to go.
Typically ARF/RTF solutions include inferior parts, and end up costing more than you could build yourself. In the case of the X160, it uses good parts, except for the ESCs that are embedded into the arms (actually just one of them). Particularly the motors are excellent - as they are designed by RotorX, not DYS. DYS produced them for RotorX and then also made a ton of them with their own brand on them - against their agreement with RotorX. All that politics aside, those are probably the best 11xx motors you can buy. My only issue is the prop mount - only allows for 2 blade props. I know a guy who has 3D printed an adapter for them to run normal 3" props - so that might soon be a great option.
Back to the topic, sorry...
There are several 160 and 180 frames out there, and even as small as 130. I'm currently designing one myself - but you probably want one sooner than mine will be available. I have the BeeRotor 160, which I run 1306 motors on and 3" bull nose props, and X-Drone 12A ESCs (clone of the XRotor 12a, which is excellent, with very high speed switching, ideal for these little high kv motors). I frickin love it. FC is kinda whatever, do whatever you like. I have RCTimer's AIO Naze based FC with OSD built in because they gave it to me for testing. It acts as the PDB too, and has a current sensor on it, from which information is send out the OSD. Pretty cool. But it's F1 based and if not free - I won't buy another F1 board - too many better boards based on F3 or F4 CPUs for little more money - with noticeable performance improvements. Like the Tornado F3 for only $30 (not counting shipping). If you want to go full tilt, you can buy an OP Revo (or mini) clone from banggood for not a lot of dough, and that's a full 10dof F4 based board. Anyway, even a CC3D or Naze variant is fine for playing around with something like this. I just build racers is why I've moved on. I can recommend this frame because it's good, tough, and not a lot of money compared to some of the big name options. It is available here: http://rctimer.com/product-1525.html There is also a list of recommended parts on that page. I'm not sure a PDB is necessary given the small size, but you will want a bec in there to power the FC at least. I'm basically running the whole list of recommended parts, and I can honestly say it screams. I currently have a 1500mAh 3S 35C lipo on it, which basically FILLS the battery compartment (LOL), and provides ample power and long flight times (haven't timed, but I need a break by the time it is done). I'm about to reduce the size of that deck though, and put a new low profile 3S 1000mAh 60C lipo in it, and see how that works. My guess is banshee screams and shorter flight times... which I'll be even happier with. XD The props should then clear the top of the top plate, instead of below it. Oh, and I put the ESCs in the bottom electronics area - protection and more centered weight. Here's my thread on that: http://goo.gl/uFBNV6

I guess I should start posting in here too. ;-)

Moose_Roberts
12th January 2016, 09:02 AM
mrsatov, have you had any experience with the Crazepony frames? I like the QAV style frames, and if the carbon is decent, those look like a direct knockoff.

mrsatov
12th January 2016, 09:19 AM
mrsatov, have you had any experience with the Crazepony frames? I like the QAV style frames, and if the carbon is decent, those look like a direct knockoff.
Nope, not familar, but I just checked it out since you mentioned it. That 180 looks real nice. But I have to say, while a lot of people like that style, it's not good for racing. If you want that size, look at the 180 and 210 from RCTimer: http://rctimer.com/gallery-291.html
I don't have the 180, but I do have the 210, and I really, reeaally like it. The COG is much tighter than ZMR style (this is actually based off of the ZMR "low rider" or "slammed" style I think. Very similar, but closer to X config. The 210 comes with a PDB as part of the frame too.
I also designed a frame (or two) which goes on sale very soon (I can actually sell now "manually", as I have everything done, just waiting on the custom boxes to ship them in. LOL) You can get info here: https://www.facebook.com/BULLITDrones/
But it's a serious racing frame, and certainly not a clone of anything. It's not made to look cool either, just to be very balanced and as light as possible while still being crashworthy.
For the price range you're looking at, I don't think you can beat the BeeRotor 210 in any way. Just don't buy their OZE32 AIO FC. LOL I tried and don't like it. They do sell an SP Racing F3 clone, like a lot of people. A better choice for sure. Slap some littlebee or XM20 ESCs on it, and some 2206 2100-2400kv motors (I love the 2206 2200kv motors from LD Power, but there are lots of good options these days, and none of them are Cobra) and some 5" triblades and you're going to have a package capable of wining races (totally depends on your skill) for not a lot of money. If you want recommendations on motors or lipos let me know. ;-)

Moose_Roberts
12th January 2016, 10:55 AM
Nope, not familar, but I just checked it out since you mentioned it. That 180 looks real nice. But I have to say, while a lot of people like that style, it's not good for racing. If you want that size, look at the 180 and 210 from RCTimer: http://rctimer.com/gallery-291.html
I don't have the 180, but I do have the 210, and I really, reeaally like it. The COG is much tighter than ZMR style (this is actually based off of the ZMR "low rider" or "slammed" style I think. Very similar, but closer to X config. The 210 comes with a PDB as part of the frame too.
I also designed a frame (or two) which goes on sale very soon (I can actually sell now "manually", as I have everything done, just waiting on the custom boxes to ship them in. LOL) You can get info here: https://www.facebook.com/BULLITDrones/
But it's a serious racing frame, and certainly not a clone of anything. It's not made to look cool either, just to be very balanced and as light as possible while still being crashworthy.
For the price range you're looking at, I don't think you can beat the BeeRotor 210 in any way. Just don't buy their OZE32 AIO FC. LOL I tried and don't like it. They do sell an SP Racing F3 clone, like a lot of people. A better choice for sure. Slap some littlebee or XM20 ESCs on it, and some 2206 2100-2400kv motors (I love the 2206 2200kv motors from LD Power, but there are lots of good options these days, and none of them are Cobra) and some 5" triblades and you're going to have a package capable of wining races (totally depends on your skill) for not a lot of money. If you want recommendations on motors or lipos let me know. ;-)

Thanks, that low deck platform looks like a good way to run a 4S without raising the COG too high. I have a set of the T-Motor F80's on pre-order, waiting for them to stop being pushed back, and based on the specs on those I have the T-Motor 35amp ESC's in waiting. I'm looking to put those on something a little nicer than my current HK build, and I don't mind spending the money, but if it is the same quad, with quality materials, just not the name, I will buy the cheaper frame.

Moose_Roberts
14th January 2016, 11:00 AM
[QUOTE=mrsatov;764071]
I also designed a frame (or two) which goes on sale very soon (I can actually sell now "manually", as I have everything done, just waiting on the custom boxes to ship them in. LOL) You can get info here: https://www.facebook.com/BULLITDrones/
But it's a serious racing frame, and certainly not a clone of anything. It's not made to look cool either, just to be very balanced and as light as possible while still being crashworthy.[QUOTE]

I'll bite, what are you getting for the longer arm version? I need a 6" capable machine. PM me if you don't want to post it.

mrsatov
14th January 2016, 08:43 PM
[QUOTE=mrsatov;764071]
I also designed a frame (or two) which goes on sale very soon (I can actually sell now "manually", as I have everything done, just waiting on the custom boxes to ship them in. LOL) You can get info here: https://www.facebook.com/BULLITDrones/
But it's a serious racing frame, and certainly not a clone of anything. It's not made to look cool either, just to be very balanced and as light as possible while still being crashworthy.[QUOTE]

I'll bite, what are you getting for the longer arm version? I need a 6" capable machine. PM me if you don't want to post it.

Just waiting on the shipping boxes now. :rolleyes: Hopefully I'll launch on the site next week. (setbacks are killing me!) I'm selling the 6" for $99.95 with free expedited shipping worldwide. $94.95 for the 5". This is actually a pretty slim profit margin for me, due to this being my first frame and my having to make so many prototypes, sampling from several carbon manufacturers, etc. I CAN tell you that the carbon fiber quality can not be beat. I've given test frames to people who've had frames like the Alien and other "premium" frames and everyone says mine is better. You will soon be seeing reviews and videos from people like BMSWeb (Paul and Thomas Bitmatta) in Australia, and Zoe Stumbaugh (hexinair.com and https://www.youtube.com/user/ZoeFullThrottle) in the US, as well as a few others. If you're not sure, you can always wait for those reviews. I can tell you that I've already had plenty of positive feedback.
If you do want to buy now, you can email me at shawn at bullitdrones dot com and we can either discuss first, or you can include all your shipping info and make the paypal payment at the email same address. I'll ship same or next day in a non-BULLIT Drones box (LOL) and it takes about 4-6 days to US (depending on location within).
Just as an FYI, I've been testing a bunch of LiPos, motors, etc. to also sell on the site, as well as sell ARF/PNF versions of the frames. So far so really good stuff! I debated about the HV lipos, but for now, too many people don't have chargers for them, so will wait on that. They are available elsewhere anyway. The PDB on my frame handles up to 6S, which is still fairly rare for this size frame - but at least you can safely use a 4S HV battery with it - which will soon be more common. I fly with 1300 - 1800mAh 4S 75C lipos and have yet to have a problem (or anyone else in testing so far). On the motors, I may have found them "already" (after many), but need to verify a few things - like crash testing them and giving them to my main test pilot who can fly most race courses at full throttle nearly the whole way - way beyond my skill level. I have him torture test everything. LOL
Anyway, I'll be getting those done up "OEM" with my branding on them. But I will make no secrets about who makes them. I'm only getting the best stuff I can find, so no reason to. I just want to make them look cooler for myself and others. XD
http://BULLITDrones.com