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Hmerly
17th October 2015, 02:35 AM
I'm actually really excited with the canards. Going to be interesting to see how they affect the frame in flight, launches, and landings. Not sure if they'll be worth the unnecessary complexity, but damn they do look nice. If its anything like the canards on the Fishbone i think it's going to be awesome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m01ohkNfrG8

I know the Fishbone was great for landings and had great lift for climbing. Always wanted one, but could never get one cut.

Tomstoy
17th October 2015, 03:32 AM
Tom ,anyone's help in tweaking and testing is always appreciated. I am a one man show,sometimes I have too much to do

Sure, just try and make me feel pity for you, lol!

xmimx
17th October 2015, 05:45 AM
Ok ,lol the top with lids ,it's almost complete as far as build goeshttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/0280c965c443a2b0a9622a5cf33dbef0.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/a8208f02e18e7d51a6d4fbb63474162c.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/d9bcde107fa5e348dff50a812f16538c.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/b9147aa92859bc8ad75de31bd25c4200.jpg
It's like looking at porn with your friends, it is nice to see but you would like to do more :)

Will the lids be included?
If not, how is it called and does someone know where to buy it in Europe?

LVSloper
17th October 2015, 11:36 AM
Chris - That's pretty, are you going to use 3mm or 5mm lam over the plastic dip?

oleg_t
17th October 2015, 12:20 PM
It's like looking at porn with your friends, it is nice to see but you would like to do more :)

Will the lids be included?
If not, how is it called and does someone know where to buy it in Europe?
I think it should. At least those come with Z3. It's the same material as winglets - coroplast. But I think scientific name is cellular polypropylene. Not the easiest thing to find in my country also.

Roboforcer X2000
17th October 2015, 12:50 PM
You can find coroplast everywhere, go where someone is making signs and ask for some off-cuts:)

RonSII
17th October 2015, 03:08 PM
You can find coroplast everywhere, go where someone is making signs and ask for some off-cuts:)



^^ Yeah, what he said :) or just stop along any roadway and grab some. ;)




Man, I might have to break down and get one of these!!! The more I see the more it just says 'I need it' can't wait til' some one puts up some night shots of it in the air with led's in the air mix channels :)

Tomstoy
17th October 2015, 03:48 PM
Was contemplating led's myself, red ones in the flat areas on the butt of those channels. Especially since once done it won't need to be plugged in during assembly. Would look really cool filmed flying behind her.

Captain crash
18th October 2015, 06:46 AM
Ok ,lol the top with lids ,it's almost complete as far as build goeshttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/0280c965c443a2b0a9622a5cf33dbef0.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/a8208f02e18e7d51a6d4fbb63474162c.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/d9bcde107fa5e348dff50a812f16538c.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/16/b9147aa92859bc8ad75de31bd25c4200.jpg
Chris, where do you get those wee thumb screw button thingy's that hold the lids down? .........cant find them for love nor money

bankandyank
18th October 2015, 04:43 PM
Hey Chris, I know you kids are super busy with the full size drak but do you think there is a possibility in the future of you guys doing a smaller version for racing? something with maybe a 40" or below size drak. The drak is amazing but also really intimidating as its huge! C'mon baby drak!

aaron_gx
18th October 2015, 05:05 PM
Chris, where do you get those wee thumb screw button thingy's that hold the lids down? .........cant find them for love nor money
Quick google search for nylon thumb screws returned a few good results:
https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0184444
http://www.grainger.com/category/thumb-screws/screws/fasteners/ecatalog/N-8ndZ1z0o42f

aaron_gx
18th October 2015, 05:15 PM
Hey Chris, I know you kids are super busy with the full size drak but do you think there is a possibility in the future of you guys doing a smaller version for racing? something with maybe a 40" or below size drak. The drak is amazing but also really intimidating as its huge! C'mon baby drak!

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa247/aaron_gx/minidrak_zpsjqoyazie.jpg

I heard through the grape vine that this is 42". drrrrooooooolllll.....

RicoFrico
19th October 2015, 07:12 AM
Chris, where do you get those wee thumb screw button thingy's that hold the lids down? .........cant find them for love nor money

@ Captain crash: Time to buy an 3D printer, for making the cream on this piece of pie :-)

Captain crash
19th October 2015, 04:12 PM
Quick google search for nylon thumb screws returned a few good results:
https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0184444
http://www.grainger.com/category/thumb-screws/screws/fasteners/ecatalog/N-8ndZ1z0o42f

Thanks for the links Aaron, thought they were aluminium which is perhaps why I couldnt find them. I am based in Scotland so I'll need to source something closer to home

Maj.Duty
19th October 2015, 04:32 PM
Yeah, thank you for pointing out Fastenal carries them. They deliver materials weekly where I work. Will have to ask for a "sample"

pk-surfing
19th October 2015, 05:33 PM
Thanks for the links Aaron, thought they were aluminium which is perhaps why I couldnt find them. I am based in Scotland so I'll need to source something closer to home

Ebay UK has them, try a search for
plastic thumbscrews m6
this link has some
http://goo.gl/MslFwE

and this link is for the inserts that glue/screw into the foam
http://goo.gl/4alzTq

Captain crash
19th October 2015, 06:53 PM
Ebay UK has them, try a search for
plastic thumbscrews m6
this link has some
http://goo.gl/MslFwE

and this link is for the inserts that glue/screw into the foam
http://goo.gl/4alzTq

Perfect.......thankyou.

Trying to get everything together for the impending arrival of this beast although we are now getting into the rainy season here on Mud Island and the weather is going to be the limiting factor for flying!!!

xmimx
20th October 2015, 01:20 AM
Crash, I'm living in Europe and there is a good chance you will find these items at Aliexpress.

http://m.aliexpress.com/search.htm?keywords=nylon+thumb+screws

Captain crash
20th October 2015, 08:21 AM
Crash, I'm living in Europe and there is a good chance you will find these items at Aliexpress.

http://m.aliexpress.com/search.htm?keywords=nylon+thumb+screws


Thanks, plenty of choice there. I've used aliexpress before and they are not too bad for quality and shipping etc ! Starting to feel a it stupid now though as a quick search has revealed plenty of choices.......cheers guys. Like you all I'm really looking forward to getting the Drak up and running.......the suspense is killing me!!!!

Hoss
20th October 2015, 08:23 AM
So, based on the above conversations, what will be included in the kit and what won't?

kross1
20th October 2015, 08:47 AM
^ what Hoss said
I assumed the lock downs would have been included. If not that's fine, good to know in advance so I can plan appropriately.

Shifteer
20th October 2015, 09:20 AM
Most of the stuff you guys are talking about (coroplast, plastic screws and metal inserts, etc) have always been included in Ritewing packages. I'm sure this will be the same. Gathering all the incidentals is always a giant PITA.

ritewing
20th October 2015, 10:16 AM
They are included

WillM
20th October 2015, 10:21 AM
Hi Chris,

I got a couple pics from Yuvski holding the black/orange Drak this weekend. Has it flown yet!? Video?! This bird is looking awesome...! Very happy to suppor this and that I got in on the pre-order. :D

- Will

Hmerly
20th October 2015, 02:36 PM
How is the timing looking Chris? Any updates?

ritewing
21st October 2015, 06:42 PM
Vid to come, we did the maidn and tune. I will say it is an absolutely amazing flying machine. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/2a09fb7231af4ca2c48537d66a6d431b.jpg

lbz34
21st October 2015, 07:05 PM
Can you provide the vector tune file with purchase? Just need the drive train with my pre order once you get it figured out, vector and 433 sitting here collecting dust lol

Hoss
21st October 2015, 08:35 PM
Can you provide the vector tune file with purchase? Just need the drive train with my pre order once you get it figured out, vector and 433 sitting here collecting dust lol
Just to throw it out there, besides choosing elevon setup in the config, everything else is custom to the particular build in vector. You tune in your trim settings, set up your failsafe and choose your osd layout. A preconfigured file would do you more harm than good, as your servo setup, particular trim, level settings etc would all be different than what vector would think you have. I'd say swapping config files between planes is a good recipe for a crash. It's not like an apm based fc where there's a ton of customization just to get the basic pre tune settings in. In vector, you click the preconfigured airframe and the rest is personal to your equipment.

serac
21st October 2015, 09:23 PM
Awesome! How does this Drak compare to the prototype? Feel much different?

ritewing
21st October 2015, 10:06 PM
It feels more refined, super floatie. It seem so forgiving and smooth. The feel is so different than a swept wing. I was flying it on the edge of stall and as it stalled I just add a tiny amount of throttle and it just sat there like you put it on a shelf. I will have the vector dialed tomorrow. I adjusted the cg back 1/4 inch and it woke rite up. As far as the vector goes , it will be nice for you guys to have the tuned params. This is not for beginners, so yes you will need to fly and tune your plane before the vector is ever realy utilized. The vector will not work correctly if you dont. I will have vid and more flight reports to come. I was kinda blown away after the flights.

gobigdale
21st October 2015, 10:47 PM
Must have been a great birthday present to have a successful maiden on such a beautiful plane. Congrats Chris on a job well done, and of course Happy Birthday!

oleg_t
22nd October 2015, 12:50 AM
Glad to hear it flying good. Congrats with both events!:)

lbz34
22nd October 2015, 02:58 AM
Just to throw it out there, besides choosing elevon setup in the config, everything else is custom to the particular build in vector. You tune in your trim settings, set up your failsafe and choose your osd layout. A preconfigured file would do you more harm than good, as your servo setup, particular trim, level settings etc would all be different than what vector would think you have. I'd say swapping config files between planes is a good recipe for a crash. It's not like an apm based fc where there's a ton of customization just to get the basic pre tune settings in. In vector, you click the preconfigured airframe and the rest is personal to your equipment.

Thanks for the info, I haven't used the Vector yet

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 03:20 AM
If you have not used the vector before, then start from scratch

Shifteer
22nd October 2015, 09:27 AM
I'll second that on the Vector. Folks make it look easy but if it's your first Vector it takes a ton of effort to get it set up and running properly. Can't wait to get my hands on this Chris. It'd be fun to get some winter flying in!

Hoss
22nd October 2015, 10:07 AM
I'm still scratching my head at what a preconfigured vector setup could do for fixed wing.? For a multi, where you've got a ton of pid settings, sure (although it would be really easy to just enter them). But for fixed wing, anything beyond choosing the airframe type in step 2 (update your firmware first!) is strictly specific to your exact setup. Rc config wizard for your specific control tx / rx setup and mapping, your personal level settings dependant on how and where you mounted the controller, your osd choices for what and where you want to see etc. Then after, running the rc config wizard again after dialing in to get your trim settings logged that are strictly specific to how your servos are set up, the amount of reflex you have in your elevons, exactly where your cg is etc. Beyond clicking the airframe type, how could someone else's setup be good to flash into a different airframe? You'd have to redo everything. I would think it would be more of a pain and much more likely that you'd miss something if you make your vector think it's good to go right off the bat rather than tell you that you need to configure these options. Even if I built 2 Drak's side by side it seems like a bad idea to me to share the file between them. A couple notches difference on a servo horn or mm's difference in reflex and the bird is going to react in the wrong way, thinking it's the right way. Am I missing something fundamental about the vector? From the conversation, it seems like people have done this. I just can't wrap my head around how it would / could work. Help me out!

Shifteer
22nd October 2015, 10:18 AM
No I think you're right. Pre-configured files on the vector would be useful for multi-rotors but maybe less for fixed wing. The only thing I could see as being useful might be sharing gain settings, as these are airframe dependent and the same settings are likely to impact the same airframe in the same way. For example on some RTF models high or low gains are required. It would be useful to know up front how different gains affect the Drak. Just reaching here.

aaron_gx
22nd October 2015, 10:31 AM
Here is vector trying to fly my drak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWSCslvLBnw
effing vector anyways.

Working with eagle tree to resolve this lol. RVOSD just flew my plane. No questions asked.

Hoss
22nd October 2015, 11:36 AM
Here is vector trying to fly my drak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWSCslvLBnw
effing vector anyways.

Working with eagle tree to resolve this lol. RVOSD just flew my plane. No questions asked.
I sure like the way she flies regardless! So, you just let it do its thing and it attempted to, I don't even know, land? Crash? Odd... What are your failsafe altitude settings? Did you configure any of the other failsafe settings beyond just 'come home at x feet'?

Shifteer
22nd October 2015, 11:52 AM
Isn't that a RTH into a Loiter? That altitude loss was scary. Throttle cruise speed set too low maybe? Headwind causing overly low ground speed resulting in a loss of altitude?

Maj.Duty
22nd October 2015, 12:16 PM
I have a Vector in the box never used one before. Do we need a pitot tube for these things? Maybe there’s already one in there ;-] I just kind of look at it, cool, put it back on the shelf. That was months ago.

Shifteer
22nd October 2015, 12:17 PM
No pitot tube required.

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 12:23 PM
I do not suggest flying without of pitot tube, all you need is to be cruising at a low speed over ridge and have a wind change from a headwind to a tailwind and you are going by ground speed, then your plane will fall out of the sky, always have air speed available for you to see so you actually know what your airplane is doing , once it gets into a spin the vector in 2 D hold you will never get it out unless you flip the full manual and apply power. I have seen people already lose airplanes like this a lot, and Chris just lost his drak the other day because he was flying ground speed and got into a. tailwind and didn't realized what was going on and he never got it back. He did not put it back in manual and power up. In 2 D it still trying to hold altitude but cant so elevators go up it goes into a spin and it is not easilt recoverable. If you flip it to manual push the nose down and apply the throttle nicely it'll pull right out. But when your are close to the ground sometimes it's hard to pull this off in a short amount of time. This is a widely known problem with vector, it does not manage airspeed, so this leaves the management of airspeed directly to you, and if you don't have a pito to this is very difficult to do on windy days

HFMan
22nd October 2015, 01:31 PM
To be clear, the Vector does not come with an airspeed module- it's an optional component you need to order.

Chris is also right about airspeed... if you are not paying attention, you can loose airspeed to the point you stall. Being a long time RC flyer, I manage this via throttle (and I don't have an airspeed sensor). For any given throttle you should maintain the same airspeed whether going upwind or downwind. The plane has no idea whether it is flying into a wind, or with it- the throttle should give the same airspeed either way. Where you get in trouble is if you have an airspeed close to stall speed (i.e. a relatively low throttle). That airspeed can drop suddenly and now you are in a stall condition. If your CG is rearward, you run the chance of getting into an unrecoverable spin.

So, the point is- make sure your Vector cruise throttle is set such that you have at least a 10-15 mph cushion above your stall speed. If it is really gusty, be cautious- maintain a higher throttle just in case your airspeed drops suddenly.

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 01:37 PM
Exactly! I see this catches people off guard all the time when watching ground speed.
You are not on the Ground.

prelator
22nd October 2015, 01:41 PM
I've never had any problems with my Vector putting my Chimera into a stall. I have the RTH throttle set at 50% which is my standard cruise throttle while flying and will keep enough airspeed for proper flight in any conditions. For 2D+Hold I have the setting turned on not to maintain altitude below 10A current draw, which is just a little lower than 50% and also enough to maintain proper airspeed.

HFMan
22nd October 2015, 01:46 PM
Yep- that setting to not maintain altitude below a set current draw is REALLY important. This is the demon of the Vector- trying to climb when power (and hence airspeed) is too slow to afford a climb. Folks unaware of this setting can get into a stall real quick without realizing it. Turning from upwind to downwind at a slow speed is the most common scenario where it might stall, trying to hold altitude in the turn.

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 01:46 PM
Yes I have seen people still have the minimum amp setting not enabled and fly into a tail wind in 2 d hold and not know whats happening when they are falling out of the sky.
They seem to stay in 2 d hold, not knowing that the speed and that setting is what is making the flat spin.. Once in a flat spin you can get out unless you flip to manual and power out.
The vector is all confused in the spin and has no power to push out, I have seen it even in just stabilized.

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 01:50 PM
Yes I wish they made an option in 2d to have a low speed min setting of managed airspeed.
Then this would never happen. We don't usually use it for landing anyways, so this option would be great.
I tried to talk with Eagle tree about this and they will not even acknowledge me.

Shifteer
22nd October 2015, 03:15 PM
Yep- that setting to not maintain altitude below a set current draw is REALLY important. This is the demon of the Vector- trying to climb when power (and hence airspeed) is too slow to afford a climb. Folks unaware of this setting can get into a stall real quick without realizing it. Turning from upwind to downwind at a slow speed is the most common scenario where it might stall, trying to hold altitude in the turn.

You're saying something really important here but I'm not getting it. What Vector setting do I need to set to avoid this? I just keep my cruise at 50%, assuming this will cover me in all scenarios (I don't fly on super windy days anyway).

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 04:34 PM
Fly you're airplane and on the osd determine where it starts to lose altitude and amp draw and set this setting just above that .http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/22/ddb84bab94444ef63259bb8eb5be76bc.jpg

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 05:52 PM
Aaron, where is this setting on yours? How much amps are you pulling at your safety rth speed and loiter setting?

I think if the min amps are to low it wont hold alt in these settings.

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 07:20 PM
Hey Aaron I am having the same problem in my new Drack, as soon as I put it into loiter or return to home it automatically starts dropping altitude and goes into altitude loosing loiter. Let me know what you hear from Eagle tree

OtherHand
22nd October 2015, 08:04 PM
As I recall the prototype Drak was using a Pixhawk and you seemed to think it did a good job. What made you drop the Pixhawk in favor of the Vector?

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 08:52 PM
Only for mapping, the vector is much better for sport flying, the pix is way more work and does not sport fly well. And the vector is 1/2 the cost, sets up way easier, and it sport flys better.

OtherHand
22nd October 2015, 10:55 PM
Thanks for the insight. I'm a mapping and autonomous sort of guy and know Pixhawks fairly well, so that'll be my choice. My idea of sport flying is not hitting the ground.

ritewing
22nd October 2015, 11:14 PM
Well the vector lets you still do a little yankin bank and sharper turning like you're really flying it, the pics hawk dummies it down so much that you're not really flying it

ginger1302
22nd October 2015, 11:23 PM
Well Im staring at my vector box and Im thinking I will order the pitot tube tonight. It is nice I can read thru these discussions now so that I can have mostly everything I need before it shows up.

Maj.Duty
23rd October 2015, 02:26 AM
Well the vector lets you still do a little yankin bank and sharper turning like you're really flying it, the pics hawk dummies it down so much that you're not really flying it

A question for anybody: You can turn these things off, right? I mean, you can still have all your sensors enabled and OSD on and all that and in the event of lost video or control then the FC enables to control the craft if failsafe is detected? This will be my first use of a Vector and I have zero interest in any controller dumbing things down in any way or making it 'like I'm really flying'. I want to do all the flying....until I don't want to....or can't in the event of a failure somewhere in the system. These FCs have the capacity to sit by patiently not doing anything until I tell them to, don't they?

Tomstoy
23rd October 2015, 02:31 AM
Yes. Manual mode. Failsafe is failsafe, works in all modes.

ezikiel12
23rd October 2015, 02:32 AM
Well the vector lets you still do a little yankin bank and sharper turning like you're really flying it, the pics hawk dummies it down so much that you're not really flying it
Please have Chris answer these kinds of technical questions. This statement is not only poorly written, but completely inaccurate.

@Maj.Duty

Absolutely you can fly the aircraft without any assist from the FC on both the Pixhawk and Vector.

Maj.Duty
23rd October 2015, 02:45 AM
Thanks guys.

I just realized looking back drooling over the pictures Chris posted of the molded Drak that the pockets for the camera(s) are not molded into the nose. I think they were in the drawing renditions if I recall correctly. Was this a change or is there a plug in there like the plug in the battery bay? I realize you can cut your own and people use different cameras. I kind of liked that molded Mobius pocket

Jubz
23rd October 2015, 08:51 AM
Please have Chris answer these kinds of technical questions. This statement is not only poorly written, but completely inaccurate.

@Maj.Duty

Absolutely you can fly the aircraft without any assist from the FC on both the Pixhawk and Vector.

+1
I'm glad you said something; I thought the exact same.

PDXDave
23rd October 2015, 09:03 AM
Please have Chris answer these kinds of technical questions. This statement is not only poorly written, but completely inaccurate.

Wait...wasn't that from Chris? #confused

Jubz
23rd October 2015, 09:48 AM
I do not suggest flying without of pitot tube, all you need is to be cruising at a low speed over ridge and have a wind change from a headwind to a tailwind and you are going by ground speed, then your plane will fall out of the sky, always have air speed available for you to see so you actually know what your airplane is doing , once it gets into a spin the vector in 2 D hold you will never get it out unless you flip the full manual and apply power. I have seen people already lose airplanes like this a lot, and Chris just lost his drak the other day because he was flying ground speed and got into a. tailwind and didn't realized what was going on and he never got it back. He did not put it back in manual and power up. In 2 D it still trying to hold altitude but cant so elevators go up it goes into a spin and it is not easilt recoverable. If you flip it to manual push the nose down and apply the throttle nicely it'll pull right out. But when your are close to the ground sometimes it's hard to pull this off in a short amount of time. This is a widely known problem with vector, it does not manage airspeed, so this leaves the management of airspeed directly to you, and if you don't have a pito to this is very difficult to do on windy days

See above empahasized in third person.

epic4me
23rd October 2015, 10:01 AM
To be clear, the Vector does not come with an airspeed module- it's an optional component you need to order.

Chris is also right about airspeed... if you are not paying attention, you can loose airspeed to the point you stall. Being a long time RC flyer, I manage this via throttle (and I don't have an airspeed sensor). For any given throttle you should maintain the same airspeed whether going upwind or downwind. The plane has no idea whether it is flying into a wind, or with it- the throttle should give the same airspeed either way. Where you get in trouble is if you have an airspeed close to stall speed (i.e. a relatively low throttle). That airspeed can drop suddenly and now you are in a stall condition. If your CG is rearward, you run the chance of getting into an unrecoverable spin.

So, the point is- make sure your Vector cruise throttle is set such that you have at least a 10-15 mph cushion above your stall speed. If it is really gusty, be cautious- maintain a higher throttle just in case your airspeed drops suddenly.
even with a correct CG, you will never take the drak out of a flat spin, been there, fortunately the drak is structurally very strong nothing happened to it, and we were flying at 700ft when flat spin began...

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 10:05 AM
I don't think the statement was poorly written, it was directed at the pix hawk question and why I wouldn't fly pix hawk and why I would buy vector instead on a sport flying Drak. Yes and of course you can fly in manual on the vector, most all auto pilots have this capability.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 10:16 AM
See above empahasized in third person.
No it is not emphasized third person. My friend in the Bay Area of California has a prototype Drak, his name is Chris. Or HSJCM here on fpv labs. He called me a few weeks back really upset because he lost his plane, and the reason he lost his plane is because he was flying it with ground speed while engaged in 2 d hold . He was close to stall when he got into a tailwind and he had it in stabilized and never got it back. He made a turn in a strong tailwind . His aircraft couldn't hold altitude so it kept trying to give itself up elevator and stay stabilized and all it did was spin all the way to the ground, he didn't realize that he was flying that slow when this happened because he was watching ground speed. This is a one of the reasons why I say you need a pitot tube so you know your airspeed. If he would have flipped it to manual and give it some throttle he wouldn't have lost the plane . Once you get it into a violent spin in a stabilized mode even if you give it throttle a lot of times the vector is very confused being in a flat spin and it will not pull it straight, but if you go to manual point the nose down and add power usually it will pull right out. The problem is is a vector is spinning its trying to hold altitude so its giving up elevator it doesn't really know which way is up or down or sideways because it's spinning so hard, the only way out is manual and power. The reason is spinning is because the vector is confuse and its racking the control surface all over the place.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 10:49 AM
even with a correct CG, you will never take the drak out of a flat spin, been there, fortunately the drak is structurally very strong nothing happened to it, and we were flying at 700ft when flat spin began...
Well on your airplane no, because you never had a manual mode enabled on that airplane. if you had a manual mode enabled on that mapping Drak then most likly you could have powered forward and got out of the flat spin if your CG is correct. But since you're flying in a stabilized mode when you get it into a fast spin the autopilot does not know what to do. Your big problem was if you were flying a very heavy mapping plane like it was a sport plane . When you pull elevator in a low speed turn and you have no power on this can initiate the flat spin. This is what happened on your plane. once you get it in this spin in this stabilize mode good luck getting it out unless you can flip it to manual and power out nose down. I have seen this problem with almost every stabilized type of aircraft with autopilot systems. On your radio the one I sent it to you, when you have the throttle below 30% it talks to you and says manage your throttle. This is a wonderful thing about the taranis . The biggest thing about these auto pilot says you need to know the parameters and how they work, this will save your airplanes so you're not watching airplanes spinning out of the sky not knowing what to do

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 10:52 AM
Eziekiel please email me your Drak Vector file, I would like to see your settings and compare to mine.

oleg_t
23rd October 2015, 11:45 AM
This topic really hurts me - unfortunately had this situation couple month ago with one of my FPV wings. As video on my screen disappeared completely, for some reason, i had no chance to recover.

Here is a good video, which explains why controlling of altitude by elevator only, is a bad idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJQsAxB7E4Q

Pitot - must have!

c5galaxy engineer
23rd October 2015, 12:05 PM
I always thought it is a shame that autopilots cant accurately monitor the Angle Of Attack. While an airplane will stall at varying airspeed depending on its weight it will always stall at the same AOA no matter its weight. That said I have a feeling that at a small scale an accurate AOA monitoring system not affected gust and G's would be a difficult task. However if you set up your FC and OSD accurately the your artificial horizon indicator would be a clue to the AOA. For now airspeed is great if you account for your gross weight. Even then the discernible airspeed difference probably isn't that noticeable.
I do know that Chris is right......GPS Ground Speed is as useless as a fully charged battery back at the house when it comes to effectively flying a plane. It tells you nothing except how long it will take a plane to cover a known distance.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 12:52 PM
I see the main issue with the vector is you just need to be paying attention to your airspeed. The time you get into trouble is when you are cruising at a very efficient slow speed and your only a few mph above stall speed. It only takes a slight wind direction change to get you in trouble.

Pay attention and use your OSD coupled with you pitot and you will be fine.

I have just seen to many people with Vector not understand this and loose their planes.

Eagle tree should make a sub mode for 2 d hold that has a tunable low speed min airspeed setting that the vector can manage.

These same issues are prevalent even with pixhawk in its stabilized mode, so don't think its just vector. The pix wont do it in Stabilized heading hold and alt hold like the .vector can , it manages the airspeed, vector still does not, so you need to be a pilot, not a passenger, pay attention!

Hoss
23rd October 2015, 01:12 PM
Ground speed is useless in the sense that it's not going to accurately describe the speed at which air is flowing over your wings and therefore be of no help in avoiding a stall, for sure, but if you were to rely solely on airspeed and not on ground speed, you could very likely misjudge things like available "fuel" and distance to destination, flying into a headwind and making much less progress than you anticipated. I think to truly effectively fly a plane, both should be implemented... But just my 2 cents... I personally only use gps / ground speed thus far in my fpv career, but stay well above stall speed when flying low and well above the point of no return altitude-wise when flying in windy conditions. I bought a pitot tube for the vector, then buried it in the mud when the canopy ripped off my anaconda and had a nice trip through the blender, just after takeoff. Talk about airspeed... Dropping the nose to avoid stall at 30 ft. is interesting. Actually avoided stalling but banked to avoid a tree and ended up cartwheeling it after clipping a wing tip, bending the pitot in half. I haven't since gotten another, but may for the Drak.

Speaking of Drak's...

So, we've seen the mold. We've seen the beautiful build. We've seen shots of it flying. Does this indicate that somewhere on the other side of this mudball a factory is ferociously birthing Drak's as we speak? What's the latest on where this project is?

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 01:17 PM
Their molding aircraft right now, I am told they are arranging shipping in the next few days, but the actual schedule of when it ships I am still not having that information. Even though they are arranging shipping that doesn't mean they're shipped yet. They told me they are going to ship them to Houston rather than through the Panama Canal. This should shave a few weeks off this. As soon as I know the schedule I will let you guys know.

Hoss
23rd October 2015, 01:18 PM
Their molding aircraft right now, I am told they are arranging shipping in the next few days, but the actual schedule of when it ships I am still not having that information. Even though they are arranging shipping that doesn't mean they're shipped yet. They told me they are going to ship them to Houston rather than through the Panama Canal. This should shave a few weeks off this. As soon as I know the schedule I will let you guys know.
Word.

Thanks.

Maj.Duty
23rd October 2015, 01:31 PM
......when you have the throttle below 30% it talks to you and says manage your throttle. This is a wonderful thing about the taranis...

I have a DX-9. Does anyone know if you can make it say something similar?

Roboforcer X2000
23rd October 2015, 01:36 PM
I have a DX-9. Does anyone know if you can make it say something similar?
Only if tape someone that can speak on it. He/she will watch your throttle stick and will tell you if go below:)

Maj.Duty
23rd October 2015, 02:08 PM
I meant can I choose any of the voice prompts available, even if it is "flaps up", to say something when the throttle is below a set parameter.

HFMan
23rd October 2015, 04:36 PM
Chris, will you ultimately have the mold shipped to the US and have them molded here?

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 04:51 PM
I can but they would only be molded into 2.4 black, and black sucks.
Once you see this silver you're going to love it.

hjscm
23rd October 2015, 07:30 PM
No it is not emphasized third person. My friend in the Bay Area of California has a prototype Drak, his name is Chris. Or HSJCM here on fpv labs. He called me a few weeks back really upset because he lost his plane, and the reason he lost his plane is because he was flying it with ground speed while engaged in 2 d hold . He was close to stall when he got into a tailwind and he had it in stabilized and never got it back. He made a turn in a strong tailwind . His aircraft couldn't hold altitude so it kept trying to give itself up elevator and stay stabilized and all it did was spin all the way to the ground, he didn't realize that he was flying that slow when this happened because he was watching ground speed. This is a one of the reasons why I say you need a pitot tube so you know your airspeed. If he would have flipped it to manual and give it some throttle he wouldn't have lost the plane . Once you get it into a violent spin in a stabilized mode even if you give it throttle a lot of times the vector is very confused being in a flat spin and it will not pull it straight, but if you go to manual point the nose down and add power usually it will pull right out. The problem is is a vector is spinning its trying to hold altitude so its giving up elevator it doesn't really know which way is up or down or sideways because it's spinning so hard, the only way out is manual and power. The reason is spinning is because the vector is confuse and its racking the control surface all over the place.

so here is the story of what happened on the faithful day. was flying at 5,088'asl and was trying to go out over 11 miles which was the last flight i did. i had to climb over the first mountain which is at 8,800' asl. once over i dropped down to tee line to get a good view. then had to climbed again up 7,900 asl to get over another mountain. the winds must have changed that far out. was trying to fly slow to save energy to make it back. once it stalled it dipped to low behind second mountain and i lost video. the sad part is this was the best flying plane i have flown. i have a couple of ruby's in other planes and a vector with pitot in a sky hunter. when i called chris he knew exactly what went wrong before i finished explaining it to him. this was an early prototype so i know the finish build is going to be incredible. can't wait.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 08:58 PM
How easy is this!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-XLOMzQAi8

Hmerly
23rd October 2015, 09:21 PM
Nice. That thing looks awesome in the air.

aaron_gx
23rd October 2015, 09:21 PM
Aaron, where is this setting on yours? How much amps are you pulling at your safety rth speed and loiter setting?

I think if the min amps are to low it wont hold alt in these settings.

*EDIT 8 amp alt hold. Return home at 80m, no home ALT setup (feature disabled). RTH cruise throttle is set at about 18amps (for the headwind reason), and Climb throttle is pulling about 22amps. If you listen to the throttle, its just confused as hell.

I've found my firmware version to be a few revisions old, and i've updated it. I've completely re-programmed it all from the ground up after it had an unrecoverable RAM error. I'll fly it again after all this work and see if it behaves differently. It may have an issue. The really crazy thing is how perfect it flies in any of the stabilization modes. It even flies perfectly (as expected) with no stabilization at all.

The video I posted was an evening with absolutely no air movement, so no headwind or anything to contend with for the poor vector. Did you guys see the two last RTH attempts at the end of the video? All from the same flight. RVOSD might be going back into her after i get it repaired.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 09:28 PM
Yes, my vector is doing the exact same thing, its dropping altitude and motor in rth and loiter,WTF I can not figure it out.
I will dump my vector data files tomorrow and re fly , then send them off for some one to look at.

aaron_gx
23rd October 2015, 09:29 PM
I see the main issue with the vector is you just need to be paying attention to your airspeed. The time you get into trouble is when you are cruising at a very efficient slow speed and your only a few mph above stall speed. It only takes a slight wind direction change to get you in trouble.

Pay attention and use your OSD coupled with you pitot and you will be fine.

I have just seen to many people with Vector not understand this and loose their planes.

Eagle tree should make a sub mode for 2 d hold that has a tunable low speed min airspeed setting that the vector can manage.

These same issues are prevalent even with pixhawk in its stabilized mode, so don't think its just vector. The pix wont do it in Stabilized heading hold and alt hold like the .vector can , it manages the airspeed, vector still does not, so you need to be a pilot, not a passenger, pay attention!

Did you see the rediculous ground speed, high amp draw and lack of wind in my video, it was steering it right towards the ground, after a climb to almost 250m! :) Im leaning towards a bad firmware version in my previous attempts. I hope to get out and test this weekend.

P.I.Engineer
23rd October 2015, 09:33 PM
that's how i take off in manual mode with pixhawk.

Chris, did you ever try acro mode? It's gyros only, from what i'm reading, that sounds like 2d mode. But it will roll.

nice looking plane, nice looking flying site.

good work and congrats on the plane


edit: nevermind, 2d mode is the same as stabilize, but you just showed me an even easier way to launch.
i've been using an up elevator mix to launch in manual, this will do the same in stabilize, brilliant!

aaron_gx
23rd October 2015, 09:41 PM
Yes, my vector is doing the exact same thing, its dropping altitude and motor in rth and loiter,WTF I can not figure it out.
I will dump my vector data files tomorrow and re fly , then send them off for some one to look at.
Going to get you screenshots of my latest setup. The stabilization is soooo perfect. (for my servo setup anyways).

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 09:45 PM
Yes I just added a flight condition ,I just have a little elevator added into it so it only adds elevator when I flip that switch. It adds elevator manual stabilized and 2d so once you get the altitude you just disable by flipping the switch ,it works so awesome. That old school high tech a9 has some really cool features for gliders, and flight conditions I use on gliders is something I commonly use so it was easy to set up.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 09:52 PM
Going to get you screenshots of my latest setup. The stabilization is soooo perfect. (for my servo setup anyways).
Yes please do, would love to see them

HFMan
23rd October 2015, 09:55 PM
I've been using the same 2D with up-trim on a switch on both my Z3 and Juggernaut forever- works perfect every time (I believe I posted this over on the Z3 thread months ago, but everyone poo-pood it).

Chris- (and aaron) regarding your Vector behavior... that's really odd. Both my Vector equipped wings don't do this at all- perfect RTH and Loiter, no throttle modulation, etc. Very strange. Do you have a Home ALT set (not RTH alt, the one when you get home). I wonder if not having this might have something to do with it.

ritewing
23rd October 2015, 10:07 PM
Here it is. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/23/d3f9616810c25f681fde4a709db6c6f5.jpg

aaron_gx
23rd October 2015, 10:29 PM
Here are the settings in my Drak's Vector right now. Basically the same as the flight I posted, except running newer firmware. Stabilization is so mild, as was with the RVOSD.
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aaron_gx
23rd October 2015, 10:37 PM
I've been using the same 2D with up-trim on a switch on both my Z3 and Juggernaut forever- works perfect every time (I believe I posted this over on the Z3 thread months ago, but everyone poo-pood it).

Chris- (and aaron) regarding your Vector behavior... that's really odd. Both my Vector equipped wings don't do this at all- perfect RTH and Loiter, no throttle modulation, etc. Very strange. Do you have a Home ALT set (not RTH alt, the one when you get home). I wonder if not having this might have something to do with it.
Nope I disabled this feature, after not being able to make simple things work right. I figured I needed to keep it as simple as possible until it can at least fly itself! :)

Hmerly
23rd October 2015, 11:47 PM
Aaron,
Maybe increase your cruise throttle position.

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 12:27 AM
Cruise throttle is already set at the same level as I found to be perfect on my RVOSD, which equates to about 18amp draw. Enough to fight a headwind on the way home, and climb throttle jumps up to 22amps, which is enough for any situation. If you listen to the motor audio, it goes from cruise to climb to glide and back again. It cant decide what it wants. Havent tested it since the upgrade though. Report back soon.

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 12:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIlMBiSDcAk
Heres how the Drak flew on RVOSD 5.1, with absolutely no stabilization turned on.

At 4:00, you will hear some honest Ritewing Drak commentary, while heavily under the influence of adrenaline.
"you forget you're flying this plane - I dont want to wreck it..." this is literally the 4th or 5th flight on the plane, and I feel that comfortable with it. Some of the other videos where Chris is letting people fly the drak, many said it felt like they've been flying it forever after a few minutes of stick time. That is the truth!

5:00 is the test of RVOSD RTH, and it flew the plane just great, all the way home, climbing from -22m altitude. Fantastic.

Then I went and flew it into the a tree and broke my current sensor. Ordered a vector and now Im here. ;) If vector doesnt work out for this bird, RVOSD is going back in.

Hmerly
24th October 2015, 01:01 AM
I've setup a Vector on a Z3 and plenty of normal fixed wings and have had no issues. Seeing both of you have problems, I'm worried now that my nice Vector I'm saving for my Drak's not going to work well. Maybe should've just kept with the RVOSD I'm so use to.

ritewing
24th October 2015, 01:03 AM
Don't loose faith yet, I have the vectors in many planes and it works great.
I have never seen this issue yet. We will figure it out.

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 01:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIlMBiSDcAk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOGEiadt3k
Tree crash link footage.

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 01:09 AM
Don't loose faith yet, I have the vectors in many planes and it works great.
I have never seen this issue yet. We will figure it out.
I actually love the vector, couple buddies use it perfectly fine. Its just so frustrating when you cant just enjoy the dam plane!!! :) It is a mystery to me, as this plane is so easy to fly in the first place - not sure why it would be any different.

HFMan
24th October 2015, 02:50 AM
Maybe try enabling Home RTH Altitude Mode- that's the only immediate difference I see between my two Vectors and yours. Don't know if this is what is causing the problem, but it can't hurt! Another difference is detection of receiver failsafe- I use a mode switch, you both use Throttle. Doubt that makes a difference, but one never knows.

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ritewing
24th October 2015, 03:01 AM
Thnx buddy, I will check my other models that are working, and see if they are enabled.

jdjeff
24th October 2015, 07:35 AM
Found this in another thread:
To set the correct throttle failsafe for the Vector, you will need to trim your throttle all the way down, set failsafe for the throttle channel in your radio, trim your throttle back to normal and then re-run the RX Wizard.

Do you see a warning "Throttle Failsafe Incorrect! " on startup?

I do the mode switch. And set my ezuhf RX failsafe while it's returning home. I guess it all depends on your TX/RX whether you choose TFS or mode switch. But judging by the problems I see out there with setting it up, the mode switch looks like the preferred method if you have that option..

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 08:49 AM
The model is correctly detecting failsafe, and entering RTH mode, the system takes over and tries to fly the plane. To my knowledge, RTH is either on, or off. So, it is definitely entering RTH upon seeing negative throttle amounts. There is no message that says Throttle Failsafe Incorrect, or RTH Issue Detected.

epic4me
24th October 2015, 10:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOGEiadt3k
Tree crash link footage.
Aaron_gx. What motor are you using??

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 12:01 PM
Ritewing SS 1300kv. I always forget exactly what it was, 28-something lol

Heres my build:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?37707-aaron_gx-Builds-a-RITEWING-DRAK-60-quot&highlight=aaron_gx+drak

HFMan
24th October 2015, 02:15 PM
Chris, another setting that may be interfering is your Minimum Ground Speed setting (currently you have it set to 50mph). I have mine set to 10mph. Here's a quote from the manual:



Also, note that if the Vector detects stall-like conditions (severe roll), or the model
is traveling at a ground speed (based on the GPS) that is less than the
“Minimum Ground Speed” setting on the Safety Setup tab of the software, both
altitude and heading hold will be temporarily disabled.


Here it is. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/23/d3f9616810c25f681fde4a709db6c6f5.jpg

ritewing
24th October 2015, 02:35 PM
Yeah I set that 50 miles per hour after I had some of the issues and went up and tried it and it didn't change anything

ritewing
24th October 2015, 03:04 PM
Aaron,I do see your turn gain to 15% on your loiter radius, I usually have mine at 50 to 60 %, at 15 I don't know if it will even loiter?

HFMan
24th October 2015, 03:09 PM
Yeah I set that 50 miles per hour after I had some of the issues and went up and tried it and it didn't change anything

Meaning you set it back down to a lower value and tried it?

epic4me
24th October 2015, 05:37 PM
Ritewing SS 1300kv. I always forget exactly what it was, 28-something lol

Heres my build:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?37707-aaron_gx-Builds-a-RITEWING-DRAK-60-quot&highlight=aaron_gx+drak
The blue one??

aaron_gx
24th October 2015, 08:08 PM
Aaron,I do see your turn gain to 15% on your loiter radius, I usually have mine at 50 to 60 %, at 15 I don't know if it will even loiter?
I had it at the default 50%, but it was wild. I was trying to tame her down. It seems to corner ok, just wont pull up or push down to maintain desired altitude! Didnt get out to try my latest changes I was talking about yesterday. Hopefully tomorrow.


The blue one??
Yes, its blue. Nice motor, I like it so far. Likely not nearly as efficient as Chris' new 5S setup for the production version though.

Schalonsus
25th October 2015, 07:30 AM
Ah its that easy to set up the vector i see :D

tibor
26th October 2015, 12:18 PM
Team Legit: First Look at the Ritewing DRAK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQWU-WmNms

Hoss
26th October 2015, 12:45 PM
Team Legit: First Look at the Ritewing DRAK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQWU-WmNms
Great, great, great video. Thanks for that. It looks amazing. I'm pretty damn psyched about it personally.

Hmerly
26th October 2015, 02:21 PM
Damn, flying all these minis the past year, I so miss doing longer missions and finding scenery in a wing. Can't wait to get this thing.

kross1
26th October 2015, 08:24 PM
OK, EPP/laminate "noob" question.

I plan on using Chris's laminate, as well as spray paint for adding color to the EPP DRAK. I've read that with EPP you may want to use a spray adhesive (3M, or..) first, as things don't adhere well to EPP.

Will the spray paint covered by laminate, without spray adhesive be ok? I assume it would be.

Does the laminate Chris provides really need a spray adhesive? I plan on laminating as much of the plane as I can for added strength and protection.

Done lots of monokote over balsa/ply in the past, just not laminate over EPP.

Thanks, sorry for the "dumb-user" question.

Hmerly
26th October 2015, 11:36 PM
You don't need any spray adhesive. Chris' laminate sticks very nicely to the foam.

hjscm
26th October 2015, 11:42 PM
hopefully chris will chime in on the spray. i painted my drak and chris told me to use spray before laminating it. i think it would have been fine but i sprayed it any way and had no problems.

ritewing
26th October 2015, 11:51 PM
I will be coming up with the whole process on how to coat and paint this thing, you pretty much don't want to use paint on this molded skin, he pretty much use plasti dip and laminate if you would like

kross1
26th October 2015, 11:54 PM
Thank you.

Hoss
27th October 2015, 01:56 PM
I have laminated anything epp that I have and the only time I've had laminate lift is using one specific kind I got from Amazon. The stuff I've been provided from other manufacturers has never come up and is a real pain to remove, which is a good thing, and the thicker 5 mil that I bought from getfpv is champ. It stays put even in the odd spots around corners and bends, and has survived a nose in, dumbass forgot to check my battery before launching crash, from a 20ft hilltop, full throttle, on a 6lb. bird. :)

epic4me
27th October 2015, 03:19 PM
I had it at the default 50%, but it was wild. I was trying to tame her down. It seems to corner ok, just wont pull up or push down to maintain desired altitude! Didnt get out to try my latest changes I was talking about yesterday. Hopefully tomorrow.


Yes, its blue. Nice motor, I like it so far. Likely not nearly as efficient as Chris' new 5S setup for the production version though.
I have the 5s also, is very powerful

ritewing
27th October 2015, 08:28 PM
Okay guys I'm going to throw this out there, I don't know if it'll work for anyone but here's the offer. I need to get a nice build manual done for this aircraft, I would offer to build your Drak if you have purchased a Drak from me .

Here in my shop,, what I need is someone to assist in the build and document the whole thing and create the actual build Video & information / manual thread in the RW forums.

Let me know if anyone is interested and we can go into a little bit of detail. I'm thinking we could do it over a weekend.

Then you would have an awesome build aircraft.

tibor
27th October 2015, 08:33 PM
I'm interested just a little bit too far :-(
I'm sure it will be easy to find somebody to this "job"

Hoss
27th October 2015, 08:37 PM
I'm interested. I'm pretty good at documentation and thoroughness. I write thorough, to the point manuals for my job frequently. I'm far, but if you wanted to work something out I'd be willing to do it. Not so much for the bird, although that is an awesome thing, but to be part of the process and get an awesome manual out there.

ginger1302
27th October 2015, 09:10 PM
Hey when are you looking at doing the build? It would be worth it to me just for all the knowledge that I would gain from this. Ill have to look at the times and see.

gobigdale
27th October 2015, 09:16 PM
I will be documenting a build. Maybe we could combine efforts

ritewing
27th October 2015, 10:48 PM
It can be a few people at once, we can do them at the same time.
I would love the help by anyone who has the passion to come an learn and help spread the love.
And we can fly and have fun at the shop.
I am not looking to pay for a building vacation, but I would share some priceless knowledge and have some fun doing it.
I just ask for the structured build manual thread in return.

ginger1302
27th October 2015, 11:12 PM
Well I was expecting to do travel and all on my own. It would be cool to have a few people there all together though and put everything into a thread. Maybe do a video along with recommended building materials such as glues, paints, and laminate.

ritewing
27th October 2015, 11:36 PM
Sounds like a build party.

crashsalot
27th October 2015, 11:37 PM
Chris, I'm not too far away, I could come over for a weekend and help with the manual. Let's talk details!

HFMan
27th October 2015, 11:41 PM
It sure does! I'm going to be down in your neck of the woods, but not until the holidays (Christmas!!). I'm pretty sure that's WAY too late for what you are looking for, but I'm all in if the timeline supports that. I'm a meticulous builder, and love the build as much as the flight.

gobigdale
27th October 2015, 11:54 PM
sounds like fun

Twawsi
28th October 2015, 01:21 AM
CK, this sounds like a great endeavor. I just checked the price of flights from Italy and there are actually some pretty sweet deals right now. Unfortunately, I don't think mama would support this trip....at least at this particular time. Now if this were next Spring, it would be ON like Donkey Kong! Guess I'll sit back and wait for the RW goodness.

ritewing
28th October 2015, 01:24 AM
We can do some group builds, we just need to plan it.

ginger1302
28th October 2015, 01:31 AM
Lol it would save on shipping but I guess that means I would have to bring a few of my parts back with me. You could break the work up over a few more people. Ill keep it in mind. The gf has been wanting to take a trip somewhere at some point and seems ok if it is going to Arizona for a weekend.

aeronca46
28th October 2015, 02:08 AM
I live just over the border in California. I would be willing to help...

Shifteer
28th October 2015, 09:41 AM
That sounds super fun. It might actually be useful to get a few builds going at the same time so that you can learn from each others' mistakes (not that there will be any...) and get it all on film. As a marketing professional, I'd be remiss in not mentioning that doing a "build event" could generate some great Twitter or social media traffic for Ritewing, if someone's willing to live tweet the build process (with pics) and goofing around that would ensue. Maybe even get one of your retailers and/or suppliers involved by sponsoring some build equipment, etc and generating some content for their own websites/social media. The Drak is probably THE big FPV product launch of the year, so i'm sure you could get some of your suppliers and distributors on board. Just a thought.

WillM
28th October 2015, 10:47 AM
Okay guys I'm going to throw this out there, I don't know if it'll work for anyone but here's the offer. I need to get a nice build manual done for this aircraft, I would offer to build your Drak if you have purchased a Drak from me .Here in my what I need is someone to assist in the build and document the whole thing and create the actual build Video & information thread in the RW forums. Let me know if anyone is interested and we can go into a little bit of detail. I'm thinking we could do it over a weekend. Then you would have an awesome build aircraft.

Sounds cool!
It depends on the date, but this would be yet another great FPV trip for me. I'd be happy to join in, represent the Northeaset (NEFPV) and contribute however necessary. I've either flown or driven to Florida, Ohio, and Canada for FPV events in the past year, and can't think of a better reason to return to Arizona. :) There is already a lot of talent on the interested list, and I'd be happy to help where I could. I have a good amount of tv/video production experience, but my rugged good looks, sharp wit, and devilish sense of humor is usually what makes me a hit at parties. ;)

ginger1302
28th October 2015, 03:24 PM
Im in a unmanned aircraft systems club at school here. The president of the club has been in touch about getting some draks as our club planes. Would be nice to learn the tips and tricks so we can get ours built a bit better. Im excited. That and any excuse to travel somewhere. I'll take any reason for getting to get the plane finished sooner as well. Ill put it on my resume later so hopefully I get a good reference letter too lol. The only question I have is what kind of time frame are we looking at? The more time before hand to buy tickets and all the better.

ritewing
28th October 2015, 03:36 PM
I was just told today that the containers should be packed up by the 9th of November at the latest, 756 sets are coming this direction. They said possibly it could be done by the 7th but they told me the latest by the 9th. At that point they will immediately be shipped over via ocean to Houston. Offloaded and then reloaded into a large truck and shipped to Arizona. I think I will know more of a better date once the stuff is actually headed out to the dock in Europe

ritewing
28th October 2015, 03:39 PM
As far as the build classes go I should be getting 5 Draks this week via Airmail. I wanted to take one of those and start doing this build documentation with it, this would help us get the build down before the actual model arrives and is shipped to you guys.

ginger1302
28th October 2015, 03:45 PM
Are we looking at trying to do it this weekend or next weekend? Id still be down for going even if I didn't have one coming back with me.

ritewing
28th October 2015, 03:47 PM
It won't be this weekend and I doubt it will be the following weekend, let me see what a few of my buddies say in the next few days and maybe we'll make a plan, what university did you say that was trying to get ahold of me to get some aircraft ordered?

Shifteer
28th October 2015, 04:46 PM
You're shipping those out by first ordered first served right Chris? :)

ritewing
28th October 2015, 04:47 PM
Yes of course, unless you're on the naughty list

Aus_Woz
28th October 2015, 04:47 PM
I hope so too shifteer! I ordered day one!

Maj.Duty
28th October 2015, 06:05 PM
I hope so too shifteer! I ordered day one!

+1 too

ginger1302
28th October 2015, 08:00 PM
Lol it is one of the clubs at Embry riddle. Dan is the president of the UAS Tech club and said he was talking to you about getting a couple of them. I think he put in an order for one within the last couple of days.

billy_boy_2010
29th October 2015, 05:02 AM
Hi Chris

Re: the build manual- my only suggestion would be that a picture says 1000 words, and a video says 10,000!

Trappy, Flitetest and IBCrazy have all made build videos (1-2 hours long) for their planes and it's incredibly useful. As a bonus it works as a marketing tool too.

The build threads here with lots of photos and a few tips are great too.

I realise you probably want a simple build manual (a few pages worth) to include in each of your kits- and that's a good idea- but if you can make a build video too, host it on your website, and include a link with each kit. It will save you an awful lot of emails and questions in the long run :) Works out as a bit of marketing and promotional material, and encourages people to visit your website too ;)

Flying Wings (UK) have some good and very simple build manuals for their planes. May be worth taking a look at his site for ideas.

Shifteer
29th October 2015, 10:09 AM
Hey Ritewing/Chris, have you determined best size prop for your current choice of SS esc/motor combo on 5S? I'd favor easy takeoff punch over extreme efficiency.

Hoss
29th October 2015, 10:14 AM
11/7, not that you asked me :)

Shifteer
29th October 2015, 10:43 AM
Hi Chris

Re: the build manual- my only suggestion would be that a picture says 1000 words, and a video says 10,000!

Trappy, Flitetest and IBCrazy have all made build videos (1-2 hours long) for their planes and it's incredibly useful. As a bonus it works as a marketing tool too.

+1 on this!

Hobaoe
29th October 2015, 05:02 PM
hi, saw some discussion on the vector. and i just recived mine, and i wondered if i should just download the latest beta firmware or the one before that?
i heard there was some problems with rth and some other things, i assume that is with the latest beta version?

chicken sashimi
29th October 2015, 05:22 PM
I'd favor easy takeoff punch over extreme efficiency.


Seconded!

ritewing
29th October 2015, 05:27 PM
You get both with this combo, and yes do the latest vector firmware, my vector had an issue due to the pitot tube had a pinch within the wing when I fished it in. Once fixed it works ffn awesome.

Tomstoy
29th October 2015, 05:56 PM
Question for you, Chris. I ordered thru StoneBlueAirlines. Any of those 700+ kits going out to fill his orders?
I ask as I am contemplating having them do the painting. Thought I read somewhere that you used PlasticDip on your latest due to adhesion issues with the german foam? Just want to make sure I get it straight with them.
Bitchin scheme on that last one, by the way.

ritewing
29th October 2015, 06:03 PM
Tom did they offer too build and paint it?

Tomstoy
29th October 2015, 06:07 PM
No, I just saw where they advertise painting large aircraft for $75. It would cost more for me to gear up, plus the weather isn't going to be favorable to paint much.

ritewing
29th October 2015, 06:17 PM
Ok, they were not to offer building at this point. I will be dropshipping their aircraft from here

Tomstoy
29th October 2015, 06:45 PM
Thanks, sorry for any confusion, no offers were made.

ritewing
29th October 2015, 06:49 PM
No worries, the only way to paint it would req the plane to be sparred , so that means it would need a build.

Tomstoy
29th October 2015, 06:52 PM
Ahhh, I see. Thanks. Saved me some grief!

I'll figure a way then to paint it myself.

ritewing
29th October 2015, 08:59 PM
So I'm putting camera on the Drak the next day or two and I will have some nice fight videos, I got the vector all dialed in now too,

Hoss
29th October 2015, 09:13 PM
I'm wondering how I'm going to mount a gopro in this thing. This bird is so nice that it's worthy of some 1080 60, if not 4k. I really don't want to hack into the nose, but there's not much of a choice short of coming up with an external mounting system in front of the nose so as to not affect aerodynamics too too bad. Some of the existing flight cam / gopro boxes out there look like they'd fit nicely, but she'd certainly need to go under the knife. I guess it's just an inevitable part of fpv to have to mod the noses of planes... well, wings at least...

Chris, you strictly fly with a mobius, correct? Btw, I thought there was going to be a built in mobius mount. I didn't see it on the production build. Was that canned?

ritewing
29th October 2015, 09:28 PM
Well I do fly a mobius, then suddenly the new Foxeer camera came out as I was giving the go ahead on the mold, I also saw the run cam and in the new gopro, so I nixed the nose design to accommodate a specific r type of camera. Since there is so much room on the nose of this aircraft I think I'm going to make a vacuum molding piece to go over the nose to accept different cameras you can cut your cameras in and if you want to change and make the nose clean again you can or you can add a vac molded piece to fit around your specific camera I want to streamline it, so I will be pulling some mold off one of the noses of the new planes to do this type of work, hopefully we can get it to fit all the cameras without it looking like a conglomeration on the front of the aircraft

Hoss
29th October 2015, 09:31 PM
Well I do fly a mobius, then suddenly the new Foxeer camera came out as I was giving the go ahead on the mold, I also saw the run cam and in the new gopro, so I text the nose design to accommodate a specific r type of camera. Since there is so much room on the nose of this aircraft I think I'm going to make a vacuum molding piece to go over the nose to accept different cameras you can cut your cameras in and if you want to change and make the nose clean again you can or you can add a molded piece to fit around your specific camera I want to streamline it, so I will be pulling some mold off one of the noses of the new planes to do this type of work, hopefully we can get it to fit all the cameras without it looking like a conglomeration on the front of the aircraft
That's really awesome. This thing really is working out to be the gold standard of fpv planes.

ritewing
29th October 2015, 09:38 PM
Well I figure we can make it looks so awesome with some vacuum molding, who cares if we have the nose underneath with a little bit on the foam is cut out for cams when we drop the vacuum molded piece to wrap around it it will clean it up and make it really look great. With such a clean aircraft let's make it look very clean as if it's born that way

kross1
29th October 2015, 09:53 PM
Well I figure we can make it looks so awesome with some vacuum molding, who cares if we have the nose underneath with a little bit on the foam is cut out for cams when we drop the vacuum molded piece to wrap around it it will clean it up and make it really look great. With such a clean aircraft let's make it look very clean as if it's born that way


YES YES YES YES PLEASE?!!!!!

Tomstoy
29th October 2015, 11:22 PM
I was wondering about that myself. One would think whomever does all the pan and tilt mechanisms would want a nose section to design from.

xmimx
31st October 2015, 12:30 PM
I was just told today that the containers should be packed up by the 9th of November at the latest, 756 sets are coming this direction. They said possibly it could be done by the 7th but they told me the latest by the 9th. At that point they will immediately be shipped over via ocean to Houston. Offloaded and then reloaded into a large truck and shipped to Arizona. I think I will know more of a better date once the stuff is actually headed out to the dock in Europe
still no luck to ship directly from your molder to Europe? So we could organise also a build class in Europe at the same time ;)

ritewing
31st October 2015, 01:04 PM
No, not at this time, my molder does the bulk foam manufacturing only.
They do not assemble kits and parts. This is not China RC.
Maybe in the future one of my vendors will help tackle this, trying to get it all done here at this point is a ton of work.

xmimx
31st October 2015, 03:05 PM
if you need help for the European market, just ask ;)

ritewing
31st October 2015, 03:11 PM
Ok explain your answer ?
Most EU vendors are small with no storage space, they can not afford to kit and store the foam stock

beygi1368
2nd November 2015, 03:11 PM
Ok explain your answer ?
Most EU vendors are small with no storage space, they can not afford to kit and store the foam stock

I think it is good idea to have some kits in one of European stores.
At least it can divide and reduce shipment cost for each individual costumer.

Hobaoe
2nd November 2015, 05:47 PM
chris, do you have some hand launch and dvr fotage?? i would really like to see som raw dvr with no stabilization from the vector...

ritewing
3rd November 2015, 01:28 AM
Soon, I have company in town for training, so I am slammed rite now. E-store Rotterdam and fpv 24 DE Wil have stock eventually

beygi1368
3rd November 2015, 05:00 AM
Soon, I have company in town for training, so I am slammed rite now. E-store Rotterdam and fpv 24 DE Wil have stock eventually

Thanks Chris!
I am waiting for this lovely wing in Europe!

xmimx
3rd November 2015, 05:50 AM
Chris, you perhaps need to tell E-Store that selling a 4S combo is not the best option :)

Hoss
3rd November 2015, 10:58 AM
Hey Chris,

A while back you put out that the 11x7 was the prop of choice, but the pics of the new baby have a 11x5.5 mounted. Have you found that's a better fit? I'd favor speed and thrust over efficiency and duration of flight time. With 8 - 10,000 mAh, flights will be plenty long regardless. What's the current favored setup you've come up with? Thanks.

ritewing
3rd November 2015, 11:06 AM
11/7 is the prop I use ,that 11/5.5 was slapped on for photo ops

richardhageman74
3rd November 2015, 03:07 PM
Soon, I have company in town for training, so I am slammed rite now. E-store Rotterdam and fpv 24 DE Wil have stock eventually
According to their site, E-store has it available 1st week of october with balsa elevons, clips and tension o-ring for wing joints. Don't think they actually follow these updates... Where is the passion die this hobby [emoji12]

ritewing
3rd November 2015, 03:11 PM
That's why your here. You have to remember they also run businesses that take up much of their time.

richardhageman74
3rd November 2015, 03:15 PM
LOL. Looking forward to receive the masterpiece. Keep uo the good work.

Tomstoy
3rd November 2015, 06:57 PM
Time is growing short! So, what's the deal with the manual, getting that all lined up? Last we heard you were looking for volunteers.
Exciting stuff. We so thank you for your time here keeping us all abreast.

ritewing
4th November 2015, 01:04 AM
Manual to start soon, I wanted to build a few to get my build down .


Enjoy this vid showing you how well rounded this plane is, it is just amazing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV0p1Yd-z4

epic4me
4th November 2015, 01:08 AM
Exceptional video Chis!!

Hmerly
4th November 2015, 01:10 AM
The Drak looks freaking amazing there Chris. Also, LOVE the perspective. Looking down on a flying wing like that is really different. Love it, can't wait

Tomstoy
4th November 2015, 10:28 AM
Manual to start soon, I wanted to build a few to get my build down .


Enjoy this vid showing you how well rounded this plane is, it is just amazing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV0p1Yd-z4


Wow! My complements to the cameraman/crew. Freakin awesome handling! Sombitch do got some vertical!

ritewing
4th November 2015, 10:35 AM
It pretty much has unlimited vert

epic4me
4th November 2015, 10:39 AM
Orgasmic plane

Hoss
4th November 2015, 11:36 AM
It pretty much has unlimited vert
And doesn't seem to stall... It looks like it just gets to the top of the climb and hovers until it finds a new line. I really can't wait to build this thing.

leadpan
4th November 2015, 11:53 AM
I drift off to sleep knowing there's a Drak in Germany with my name on it. :)

Maj.Duty
4th November 2015, 05:59 PM
I drift off to sleep knowing there's a Drak in Germany with my name on it. :)

And in about a week or so it will no longer be in Germany but on a vessel

nd3
4th November 2015, 09:24 PM
http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr310/double06_2008/Mobile%20Uploads/Drak_zpsz1q0xdaz.jpg (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/double06_2008/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Drak_zpsz1q0xdaz.jpg.html)

hjscm
5th November 2015, 11:07 AM
what battery are you using and what do you think will be best for long range? is it better to get 2 or one big one. i want everything here one the drak comes so i can get it going right away.

beygi1368
5th November 2015, 04:57 PM
what battery are you using and what do you think will be best for long range? is it better to get 2 or one big one. i want everything here one the drak comes so i can get it going right away.

If you are looking for long range missions have a look at Panasonic 18650b packs.

epic4me
5th November 2015, 05:47 PM
MaxAmps makes very good batteries, better energy dense than any other..Panasonic are good but does not have amperages they are only 2c...

Hoss
5th November 2015, 05:50 PM
I saw this being discussed a while ago but don't remember seeing specifics... Chris, what did you use to paint your Drak? Was it plasti-dip or some shite? I'm getting Drak fever and want to start planning my design. I need to come up with a name too, but that's got to wait until she's built. Yeah, so what paint?

Tomstoy
5th November 2015, 09:18 PM
Agreed, time to elaborate!
Plus you mentioned you only laminated certain areas?

londonguy
5th November 2015, 10:37 PM
I saw this being discussed a while ago but don't remember seeing specifics... Chris, what did you use to paint your Drak? Was it plasti-dip or some shite? I'm getting Drak fever and want to start planning my design. I need to come up with a name too, but that's got to wait until she's built. Yeah, so what paint?

You can paint EPP with almost any spray paint out there, just go for matt with whatever you can find locally. I've tried Veldspar and Plastikote from B&Q and Montana paint from an art shop and it all works well. Hobbyshops sell acrylic spray paint for foam models but it's like 2-3x the cost (or it's a piddly little can that lasts half a wing)

HFMan
6th November 2015, 12:02 AM
I really like RustOleum 2X gloss. It's truly one coat (at least on epo it is, I would expect it is on epp as well.) Laminate sticks VERY well to it.

Hoss
6th November 2015, 07:00 AM
I thought earlier it was mentioned that, either being that it was molded, or that it's got that uv resistance, that regular paint didn't stick well... I use rustoleum on other epp that I've got, but they're wire cut.

Hobaoe
6th November 2015, 09:53 AM
A bit off topic, but on the vector, doesnt the gps measure airspeed? Cause of the "need" of pitot.. I just bought the vector, so im a noob on this.

Hoss
6th November 2015, 10:08 AM
A bit off topic, but on the vector, doesnt the gps measure airspeed? Cause of the "need" of pitot.. I just bought the vector, so im a noob on this.
Ground speed. Meaning, you could be traveling 50mph airspeed, but in a 20mph headwind. The gps will tell you you're traveling 30 mph, as that is the accurate ground coverage that you're making, while the pitot will read 50mph, as that is the speed at which air is flowing over your wings (30mph actual + 20mph headwind)

kross1
6th November 2015, 11:25 AM
Ground speed. Meaning, you could be traveling 50mph airspeed, but in a 20mph headwind. The gps will tell you you're traveling 30 mph, as that is the accurate ground coverage that you're making, while the pitot will read 50mph, as that is the speed at which air is flowing over your wings (30mph actual + 20mph headwind)

Where this REALLY matters is when you travel WITH the wind.

Say you plane stalls and falls out of the air at 15MPH.

If you are flying INTO a steady 20 MPH wind, and you can maintain just enough throttle to "hover", the air would be going over the wings at 20MPH (plane hovering, no forward motion) and you won't stall. No ground speed, but the wind is going over the wings at 20MPH due to the wind, above the 15 MPH stall speed.

Now turn the plane around, with throttle off. While your plane will travel away with the wind at 20 MPH (ground speed) it will stall and fall, as the plane must have +15 MPH above wind speed to not stall.

So you can have fun crawling forward into the wind, basically hovering, reducing your ground speed thanks to the windspeed you are flying directly into. Turned around and going with the wind however you MUST make a speed run, to maintain the +15 MPH stall speed above the tailwind.

Love playing in the wind this way.

HFMan
6th November 2015, 11:35 AM
Wrong. You can still run the exact same low-ish throttle downwind. But it's DURING the turn from upwind to downwind where you stand a good chance of stalling. Once your airspeed builds back up, you will have the same +15 MPH airspeed.

kross1
6th November 2015, 11:41 AM
Sorry HFMan, I respectfully disagree.

If "low-ish throttle" is sufficient to keep you above stall speed, then you're OK.

You are completely right about the risk in the turn, but, with a steady 20 MPH wind blowing your plane away at 20MPH there is 0 MPH differential over the wing, so a stall. If the planes stall speed is 15 MPH you need to travel at 35 MPH traveling with the wind to maintain the +15 MPH over the wing, which would be 35 MPH ground speed going with the wind.

ritewing
6th November 2015, 11:47 AM
Yes you need A pitot on the vector so at least you know your airspeed, if not you have a very good chance of dropping out of the sky.
Vector does not manage airspeed at this point but mite have the option in the future.
YOU NEED TO MANAGE THE AIRSPPED, AND IF YOU DONT HAVE A PITOT THIS CAN BE VERY HARD TO DO SO.

On this molded foam it has a slick skin, unless you sand off the skin you will only want to use plastidip.
If you use paint on this skin the paint will not adhere , but plastidip on the other hand doe adhere very well. The Edge where the Elevons mount will need plastidip , this makes a great surface for the hinge tape to stick. If you do not you Elevon hinge tape will not stick well to the EPP.

I will be working on some of the build info this next week.

I wanted to build a few before I start, this has helped me get the the build even more tuned.
I will start a new build so I can go over what I have come up with.

This build is a lot like the Z3 build, accept you do not have to fill the spar gaps with gorilla and sand and fill, and you do not need to laminate, and you can use goop for a bunch of the build.

ritewing
6th November 2015, 11:56 AM
you can see in this vid, it has enough headwind and no ground speed and it stays aloft, but once its turned and in the tail wind it hauling ass to stay aloft.

I love flying in the wind, the huge outboard elevons give the Drak some crazy flight skills.

Sorry I am posting this again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THV0p1Yd-z4

ritewing
6th November 2015, 12:11 PM
I disagree, with respect,lol
I have seen 3 planes fall out of the sky in a stabilized mode at a low speed down wind turn.What happens is you loose alt, then the elevator trys to hold alt, then that even emphasizes the problem, if you do not get the throttle up immediately you are done for.

Sorry HFMan, I respectfully disagree.

If "low-ish throttle" is sufficient to keep you above stall speed, then you're OK.

You are completely right about the risk in the turn, but, with a steady 20 MPH wind blowing your plane away at 20MPH there is 0 MPH differential over the wing, so a stall. If the planes stall speed is 15 MPH you need to travel at 35 MPH traveling with the wind to maintain the +15 MPH over the wing, which would be 35 MPH ground speed going with the wind.

Maj.Duty
6th November 2015, 02:48 PM
..... and you do not need to laminate, and you can use goop for a bunch of the build.

I'm glad you have mentioned this a couple times as it has been my position from the beginning. I know many will do it and it has its benefits.

Hoss
6th November 2015, 02:59 PM
I'm glad you have mentioned this a couple times as it has been my position from the beginning. I know many will do it and it has its benefits.
I like what it does, I hate the way it looks.

HFMan
6th November 2015, 03:22 PM
My point is... The same throttle will give the SAME AIRSPEED whether traveling directly into the wind or directly downwind (for this argument, assume a constant wind with no gusts). The plane has no idea the wind is blowing. You do not need more throttle to stay aloft downwind. It's simple physics guys.

You DO need to be ready on the throttle when transitioning from upwind to downwind, that's when your airspeed will suddenly drop and will take time to recover.

Maj.Duty
6th November 2015, 03:25 PM
It's simple physics guys.

'Simple' physics? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Hobaoe
6th November 2015, 04:11 PM
Thanks guys for the info:)

ritewing
6th November 2015, 04:15 PM
My point is... The same throttle will give the SAME AIRSPEED whether traveling directly into the wind or directly downwind (for this argument, assume a constant wind with no gusts). The plane has no idea the wind is blowing. You do not need more throttle to stay aloft downwind. It's simple physics guys.

You DO need to be ready on the throttle when transitioning from upwind to downwind, that's when your airspeed will suddenly drop and will take time to recover.
Yes but when you are out flying far away on a screen, you miss some things like wind direction and the actual feel of the plane through the stabilized mode . It's not always coming from the same direction of where you took off from. Airspeed is always a key thing to have scrolling across your osd

ginger1302
6th November 2015, 04:19 PM
The same power setting should give you the same airspeed but it is still a good idea to have a pitot to get true airspeed. Having a no bs airspeed right on your screen will keep people from getting confused that haven't been flying much. Id still rather have an AOA indicator and fly with that over airspeed though but really doesn't need to be that complicated. Do they even have angle of attack kits for the vector?

Hobaoe
7th November 2015, 05:18 AM
when im mounting the vector, how do i know when its level when the plane is level? its a z2.
can i just use a digital pitch gauge and zero it ontop of one of the winglets to get the level flight reading, and mount the vector accordingly to that?
wouldnt that be the correct way?

Hobaoe
7th November 2015, 12:10 PM
when im mounting the vector, how do i know when its level when the plane is level? its a z2.
can i just use a digital pitch gauge and zero it ontop of one of the winglets to get the level flight reading, and mount the vector accordingly to that?
wouldnt that be the correct way?

i studied the manual, so i figured it out:)

there is ALOT of stuff to learn about this flight controller, gonna read some more:P

Hoss
7th November 2015, 01:34 PM
It's one of the most well written manuals I've seen. It took me a bit to go to it (I'm stubborn and have a tendency to trial and error my way through things before reading the proper way, but I learn a lot in the process). Every question I've had directly correlates to a section in that manual. Lots of times, if you go to eagle tree for support, you get a page number in response... It's pretty thorough, but there's no fluff, just information. I've found that their first instruction, instruction 1.1 - Read the Manual, is the most valuable in successfully setting up a proper, fully functional fc. They did well with this product.

livesimply
7th November 2015, 02:08 PM
Is there any vector flight recording with the new Drak and SS power system yet? Would love to see the amp draw vs speed on the new system with 5S.

Tomstoy
8th November 2015, 06:59 PM
Exciting stuff!
Does she make it on a boat tomorrow? Won't be long now.
So, got everything all lines up? Everybody who ordered a ss motor will get one? All motor mounts ready to go? Got the boxes, hardware packaged, all that fun stuff?
Chris, if you thought you were busy before, my friend, just wait.

ritewing
8th November 2015, 07:22 PM
The container is leaving the factory tomorrow and heading to EU port.
I have most everything here,Cf tubes motors esc ect, I have been laser cutting all coro for weeks and still cutting. I have all motor mounts made.
Most of the large or long wait item stuff is here.
Exciting stuff!
Does she make it on a boat tomorrow? Won't be long now.
So, got everything all lines up? Everybody who ordered a ss motor will get one? All motor mounts ready to go? Got the boxes, hardware packaged, all that fun stuff?
Chris, if you thought you were busy before, my friend, just wait.

hjscm
8th November 2015, 09:51 PM
If you are looking for long range missions have a look at Panasonic 18650b packs.
was looking at a battery that i did not have to build. but those look great.

Tomstoy
9th November 2015, 12:59 AM
Good idea letting the Germans handle the shipping. Prevents U-boat attacks. Would hate to loose that container!

RicoFrico
9th November 2015, 05:19 AM
What kind of GOOP was used for the spares or can you recommend an alternative for it as it is not common in the EU (NL).

xmimx
11th November 2015, 02:42 AM
What kind of GOOP was used for the spares or can you recommend an alternative for it as it is not common in the EU (NL).
I use gorilla glue that you can buy from Amazon.de
Alternatively, hot glue works great too.

ritewing
11th November 2015, 02:46 AM
Search plumbing goop on amazon DE, you will need about 2 tubes, and you will need gorilla and hot glue. I am working on the build vids now

RicoFrico
11th November 2015, 02:56 AM
Search plumbing goop on amazon DE, you will need about 2 tubes, and you will need gorilla and hot glue. I am working on the build vids now
Thanks, Amazon.de price 34.- each, Walmart: $8.-

ritewing
11th November 2015, 02:59 AM
Yes, I get plumbing goop from Walmart, it's great price. All goop is the same stuff

Hoss
11th November 2015, 04:01 AM
Yup. Plumbing goop just comes with the nozzle tip and purple package - all the same as the other flavors though.

Tomstoy
11th November 2015, 04:16 AM
Build vids!!! I like the sound of that.

ritewing
11th November 2015, 04:20 AM
https://youtu.be/Z0X1pxFrx4A

Twawsi
11th November 2015, 05:01 AM
Nice Vid CK. Not sure who's raising concerns about the durability of the aircraft but if they have doubts, they can just not buy it. This would leave more of those beauties for us to have. I'm guessing they are not part of, or would qualify as part of, the Ritewing Nation anyways :-) Looking forward to the day my kit arrives. Rock on Bro.

Tomstoy
11th November 2015, 07:11 AM
Totally awesome!

So, set up. I'll be dropping in a Crossfire, and what I've read so far, that steps all over the 1280 video I was going to drop in.
The solution I'm having a troubles committing to. I have 2 sets of goggles, Zeiss and AIO. The AIO's have both a 5.8 and and a 2.4 ghz rx in them, so that would be the logical way to go.
However, I'm intrigued with the new 3.3 system and am tempted to try it out, though that would limit me to always having to use my ground station.
Don't know why I'm debating, 2.4 will win out. The ability to be cordless is just too desirable.
Control will be a Vector.

I'm getting the deluxe package so ss motor, ect.

Curious what others are planning for their set up's?

Hoss
11th November 2015, 07:54 AM
I can't believe you can bend that wing like that. That's insane... It's like rubber.

I'm going with my standard setup - 1.2 for video, 433 for control, vector for flight. I just use a 5.8 repeater on my ground station, that way it really makes no difference what I fly... I'm always receiving 5.8 at the goggles. 5.8 on a plane of this size and speed would get really boring and really annoying really quick, just in my opinion.

ginger1302
11th November 2015, 09:51 AM
Yeah I use 1.3 and repeat over to 5.8. I just use an immersion 25mw it it works fine for right next to the ground station. It also lets me put it on top of the car since I don't need to be right next to it. I got the 25mw for free because a friend of mine was doing a 250 sized quad and it came with her goggles. She went to a 600mw tx and I helped her with a bunch of the soldering.

Shifteer
11th November 2015, 11:08 AM
I'm also using the 25mw repeater from rmrc on 5.8 with my Headplays. Works like a charm and it means I can just plug it into whatever ground station equipment i'm using then go wireless.

On a separate note, can someone please post a link on the kind of Plasti Dip they are using?

ginger1302
11th November 2015, 11:26 AM
Oh and are they still going to have anyone go over and help with the builds?

Tomstoy
11th November 2015, 05:51 PM
I'm also using the 25mw repeater from rmrc on 5.8 with my Headplays. Works like a charm and it means I can just plug it into whatever ground station equipment i'm using then go wireless.

On a separate note, can someone please post a link on the kind of Plasti Dip they are using?


Looks like blaze orange and black.

My question to Chris would be, any type of primer, or did you just wipe down with alcohol and apply directly?

For those not familiar with Plasti-dip spray paint, this stuff is heavy.

I have a repeater on my gs, also.
The nice thing about using the AIO's is the ability to not have to drag the gs along.

Anybody familiar with how to build a lite weight transport box for this thing? Was thinking about some erector set type aluminum angle and coro-plast. Just something to throw in the vehicle.

Hoss
11th November 2015, 08:35 PM
I'm really up in the air about paint... I really like Chris's 2 builds - the orange on black and the black on black. I just can't decide which is cooler.

ginger1302
11th November 2015, 10:40 PM
Maybe they should take some pics from the top and bottom unpainted so that people can play in photoshop or something and get an idea of how they would like to paint it.

Hoss
12th November 2015, 02:54 AM
That's a good idea. It's got the preformed lines in the wings that seem to make for perfect paint lines, as was done on the 2 ritewing builds. I may very well copy the black on black - not because I'm an unoriginal bastard (at least that's what I tell myself), but because it seems the most natural way to paint it and I'm in to simplicity in design. Crazy lines and 12 different colors isn't my thing. Man am I jonesing for this thing. So much so that I'm standing in my kitchen stuffing peanut butter and crackers in my mouth while typing this at 1:50 in the morning. They call it getting bit by the bug... That's an understatement. It's more like getting pumped full of venom and sucked into another dimension.

Tomstoy
12th November 2015, 03:53 AM
I'm kind of leaning to a minimalist paint design, too, like the orange and black, only what is painted would be that day-glow green.

I wouldn't want to paint the whole plane. Like I said, that plasti-dip is heavy!

Juanzilla
12th November 2015, 04:01 AM
Totally awesome!

So, set up. I'll be dropping in a Crossfire, and what I've read so far, that steps all over the 1280 video I was going to drop in.
The solution I'm having a troubles committing to. I have 2 sets of goggles, Zeiss and AIO. The AIO's have both a 5.8 and and a 2.4 ghz rx in them, so that would be the logical way to go.
However, I'm intrigued with the new 3.3 system and am tempted to try it out, though that would limit me to always having to use my ground station.
Don't know why I'm debating, 2.4 will win out. The ability to be cordless is just too desirable.
Control will be a Vector.

I'm getting the deluxe package so ss motor, ect.

Curious what others are planning for their set up's?

I bought one full kit and a plane only kit. I did it thinking I would need spare parts but after watching Chris demonstate the durability; I have no idea what I will be doing with the second frame.

Maybe one long 1.3 fpv with a gimbal on top. Second could be shorter ranged 5.8 maybe...

I bought like 6 vectors when I saw them on sale a while back. Paid 180 each I think.

Tomstoy
12th November 2015, 04:36 AM
Yeah, she's super strong!

Jeez, 6 Vectors! Holey crap! Good price, though.

If you want, as soon as you get them, that would be a good time to sell the kit, if you so desire, before batch 2.