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crashsalot
12th March 2015, 02:28 AM
Backed!

Majki
12th March 2015, 02:45 AM
Backed, even though I was not thrilled about the August availability. Anyway, looking forward to receiving your full set ;)

PabloJaime
12th March 2015, 05:32 AM
Yeah Baby, Yeah!!! Backed!!! first Kickstarter project that I will count days for it... :)

ritewing
12th March 2015, 07:30 AM
Actually august is short time. I will get it done asap once funded. A good thing is worth the wait. Let's all help spread the news to get it funded. No molds will be made if the goal is not met.

Red Dog NZ
12th March 2015, 07:53 AM
Just put my pledge in. :) Hopefully there will be a Drak winging it's way to New Zealand. :)

serac
12th March 2015, 10:29 AM
Hey Chris,

Quick comment regarding the Kickstarter page - It may say it in the videos (I can't play the videos at work), but I don't see basic Drak specs anywhere on the page (60 inch wingspan, etc). Did I miss them? Someone from outside FPVLab may wonder. That would be my first question.

Backed!

SENTRY
12th March 2015, 11:01 AM
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?38346-zOMG-Ritewing-DRAK-60-KICKSTARTER!!!!

ritewing
12th March 2015, 11:17 AM
Hi it's will be about 61 inch wingspan. I will get some specs up too. Thnx guys.

Kevinv033
12th March 2015, 11:28 AM
oooh, must back now!!

Hizlimax
12th March 2015, 11:29 AM
Backed. Wish you a successful campaign.

prelator
12th March 2015, 11:32 AM
Wow, $85,000? It costs that much to buy the molds for these things? Now I'm starting to have a better appreciation for why a plane that amounts to a slab of styrofoam costs so much! I will probably back as well, since I've always wanted a plane with a Ritewing's flight characteristics but made of EPP so it won't disintegrate on the first muffed launch or rough landing.

ITman496
12th March 2015, 11:35 AM
Definitely want this.. What's different about it that you need to do a kickstarter, though? I don't recall there being one for the ZII or ZIII. Is it harder to make/more expensive for the molds? Or were you getting a discount before that isn't there anymore?

traderdmb
12th March 2015, 11:35 AM
Dude, that shit is gonna look serious as **** in the air. Backed!

CaliDave
12th March 2015, 11:35 AM
Interview with Chris @ 1:08 showing off the DRAK 60 @ the AMA Expo earlier this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzK2IyhI8kA

Having seen it in person, it's a great looking frame! :cool:

DoctorAudio
12th March 2015, 11:48 AM
What the ?
I likes it I will have a look see!

Thank You!

his dudeness
12th March 2015, 12:41 PM
I'm in. And my wife confirmed she will not leave me if I buy another airplane, so that's good too.

I echo PabloJame's question above - is power setup identical to Z2/Z3? Have you been running your SS 1300kv on this bad boy with similar prop sizes?

I'm curious, too.
How is the cruising speed and amperage compared to the z3?
How much will be shipping to europe?

Maj.Duty
12th March 2015, 12:59 PM
425 $200 pledges to hit the mark. I wonder how many Z3s they sold?


I pledged...

Maj.Duty
12th March 2015, 01:02 PM
I ponied up. Good luck, Chris. I hope it all works out for you (and the rest of us)


And didn't have to ask for any approval.

PDXDave
12th March 2015, 01:04 PM
I'm in!

prelator
12th March 2015, 01:06 PM
Just pledged. Pity the shipping cost isn't included in the prize, but oh well. Hope this makes its goal. This could be a great plane to replace my Chimera as my primary wing when I'm ready to retire it.

Nucc10
12th March 2015, 01:21 PM
Best Ritewing yet!! Going to be bad assssss.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6viOq7Xlwg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYuLId6LBKU

londonguy
12th March 2015, 01:25 PM
Is the center piece the same or different to the Z3?

Looks like a Z3 with extended wing pieces.

Hmerly
12th March 2015, 01:35 PM
Its different

XtremeWingRC
12th March 2015, 01:37 PM
Awesome. Backed

heli_headcase
12th March 2015, 01:50 PM
I like the idea of plug-in wing panels. What holds them in place?

When the delivery of the KS Drak is ready, will there be a choice of coroplast fin colors from which to choose?

Watching the long video with all the low-speed flying, tip stalls still can be seen. Mild yes but still there. Is it too late to add a couple degrees of washout to the design? It can't hurt and can totally eliminate tip stalling. I've used washout for years and know its benefits.

Very nice design. Looking to invest in this model!

FPV FLYER
12th March 2015, 02:08 PM
Wonderful plane!

StoneBlueAirlines
12th March 2015, 02:18 PM
Very excited to be supporting this funding for an awesome new wing. We sell some great quality brands made here in the USA and excited to not only support this project but be working with Ritewing as one of our new vendors to the SBA store. We have some cool ideas for this wing in our custom shop. Bring it to the skies.

einstein00
12th March 2015, 02:22 PM
Hi it's will be about 61 inch wingspan. I will get some specs up too. Thnx guys.

nice design, but i think the camera will be destroyed when you land...

prelator
12th March 2015, 02:28 PM
I assume it can carry either a cased GoPro or a similar GoPro mount to the Z3 and ZII. Chris really should have some pictures/videos with the Drak carrying a GoPro. Nobody buys a $200+ plane to carry a Mobius.... :)

Derrick
12th March 2015, 02:36 PM
I assume it can carry either a cased GoPro or a similar GoPro mount to the Z3 and ZII. Chris really should have some pictures/videos with the Drak carrying a GoPro. Nobody buys a $200+ plane to carry a Mobius.... :)

Why not? Carry a GoPro and multiple Mobii ;)

heli_headcase
12th March 2015, 02:41 PM
nice design, but i think the camera will be destroyed when you land...

Don't see that as a real problem. I bet there's a huge space that's open behind the camera mount and this would allow for two (combined?) options.

1) Recess the camera back far enough so the nose cheeks are ahead of but not within the view of the lens.

2) Make the mounting of the camera an easy-release (Velcro maybe) and leave an open space behind it so if bumped it can 'turtle' back into the fuse.

A little planning ahead can easily save a camera mounted in the Drak's nose.

rank
12th March 2015, 03:11 PM
In all fairness, $85K is a steep mark, but good indicator of the Ritewing fans amount

Fastgixxerlv
12th March 2015, 03:43 PM
Sweet! I'm game for one!

kross1
12th March 2015, 06:09 PM
Moved my post to newer thread: http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?38346-zOMG-Ritewing-DRAK-60-KICKSTARTER!!!!

kross1
12th March 2015, 06:21 PM
I'm echoing PabloJaime's question from here (http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?36231-Drak-60-quot-info-and-possible-kick-start-thread&p=664298#post664298)- what motor/ESC/prop are suggested?

Trying to decide which version of the kickstarter kit I need to consider.... Love to do this, but I am one of the guys watching the budget. Sadly.

A few suggestions for the kickstarter listing, to add clarity. Maybe I missed these answers, but if I did, so will many others!



Please add a video showing acrobatic flight, rolls, loops, vertical, stalls, acceleration. Obviously it can do it!
Is shipping included? I thought it was based upon each option showing "Ships Any where in the world", vs. "shipping at additional cost", but I see folks thinking the opposite.
Add more specs., dimensions, min/max typical speeds, typical weight empty.
On the versions with the motor/ESC/prop, if possible give the specs, possibly make/models?
Posted questions show concern re: camera way out on the nose- may be a common question. Maybe update the site re: camera placement?
Point out "Drak" is "Dragon" in Slavik, etc. I found that really cool. "That's the name Dragon, AKA Drak or Draken." (http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?36231-Drak-60-quot-info-and-possible-kick-start-thread&p=629845&viewfull=1#post629845)



Really awesome, I want!

prelator
12th March 2015, 06:26 PM
Shipping is not included. I initially entered $200 and got an error saying I had to enter $227 to cover shipping in the US.

coreyperez
12th March 2015, 06:33 PM
Say goodbye to any camera you mount on the nose. (Landing) I was disappointed to not see the video demonstrate a landing. I would fully expect it to be a really bumpy one. Probably why it wasn't shown.

faber
12th March 2015, 06:35 PM
The drak will land like a friggen cub with the flaps down. It handles high alpha very well.

prelator
12th March 2015, 06:36 PM
I think it also goes without saying that the picture at the top of the thread is NOT how most of us will mount our cameras....

heli_headcase
12th March 2015, 06:37 PM
Speaking of power plants: What is the internal distance of the motor mounting beams? I like to be able to have a wide variety of motors to choose from. Big, low Kv and large diameter folding prop for high efficiency and quiet operation.

kross1
12th March 2015, 06:37 PM
Say goodbye to any camera you mount on the nose. (Landing) I was disappointed to not see the video demonstrate a landing. I would fully expect it to be a really bumpy one. Probably why it wasn't shown.

The cameras can go elsewhere, I am sure!

gobigdale
12th March 2015, 09:40 PM
I was the first to back it, and I am super excited to see this thing in my hands. Good job Chris, has been a pleasure to watch your work through the years.

ritewing
12th March 2015, 09:47 PM
Here is some vids, 28 mm to 35 mm motors mount fine.
I hate folding props, but that's me.


These vids show how she flies, she is 61'' WS, she is flying here at 5.5 lbs with a 7100 4s, she flys great on a 4s 10000 too.
The nose will be able to have multiple ways to mount cameras, keep in mind this is a prototype.


We have flown 130 gram 2815 outrunners to 200 gram 2830 size outrunners from 870 kv all the way up to 1300 kv , props from 10/6 up to 13/10 so pick your poison. 3510 to 35 42 have also been used.


In the vid I run my prototype 2820 1300 kv on a 11/7 apc and my 85 amp esc.
It really has some great adjustability. The molded version will be smoother and even more sexy. If we over fund I mite do optional canards and possibly a few nose styles for different cam configurations .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOPyUCUygxc&index=9&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6viOq7Xlwg&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&index=7


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYuLId6LBKU&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&index=3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJuqAXcUgGA&index=4&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_CjGVV9IpE&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&index=5

ritewing
12th March 2015, 10:17 PM
Here is some vids showing it flying.


I have been flying it lately with a hot 2820 1300 kv setup on 4s and a 11/7 prop, its just too much fun.
I have seen it cruise at 7 to 10 amps on a 1200 kv motor, don't remember the prop size. In the future I am doing a high cell count low kv setup with big prop, I will let you know how it goes.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOPy...OXTiM-cEafRuHQ (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14262123346376&key=c1d25e831406ba20a5afa355d5950d05&libId=i76xs7r301000bpn000DA78fs64iosnxh&loc=http%3A%2F%2Ffpvlab.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread. php%3F38346-zOMG-Ritewing-DRAK-60-KICKSTARTER!!!!%26p%3D664366%23post664366&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbO PyUCUygxc%26index%3D9%26list%3DUUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&title=zOMG%20Ritewing%20DRAK%2060%20%7C%20KICKSTAR TER!!!!&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbO Py...OXTiM-cEafRuHQ)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6vi...afRuHQ&index=7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6viOq7Xlwg&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&index=7)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYuL...afRuHQ&index=3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYuLId6LBKU&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&index=3)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJuq...OXTiM-cEafRuHQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJuqAXcUgGA&index=4&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Cj...afRuHQ&index=5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_CjGVV9IpE&list=UUeLLvbImyOXTiM-cEafRuHQ&index=5)

ZobZibZab
12th March 2015, 11:40 PM
Wrong thread is wrong.
Do want a 32inch folding version tho ;)

ZobZibZab
12th March 2015, 11:41 PM
Great kickstarter! Just backed some money, and good luck, it looks like a good start!

ritewing
12th March 2015, 11:58 PM
Thanks ZAB, the next version will be smaller

skelator
13th March 2015, 12:45 AM
dam tried to back this up for $195 but kickstarter want me to pay $305 in total lol, I guess I to wait couple of month to get 300 to back this up if that it not ended yet lol

ritewing
13th March 2015, 12:47 AM
Why, what' was the problem?

skelator
13th March 2015, 12:55 AM
my wallet problem T_T, my country currency when a plunge yesterday so USD VS MYR is really bad now everything gone, I need to wait until my currency gain a few cent increment :)

ritewing
13th March 2015, 12:57 AM
Ok, sorry to hear,.

K27R
13th March 2015, 01:13 AM
"Is the center piece the same or different to the Z3?

Looks like a Z3 with extended wing pieces."



I agree the center looks the same, but from what I have read while building my Z3 is that the Drak center is wider.

I haven't finished my Z3, let alone flown it, and I am a backer of the Drak.

The Drak looks like it will be a great airframe for many different types of flying.

ritewing
13th March 2015, 01:16 AM
The fuse is much larger and a lot longer. The wing saddles sit very rearward, it's definitely not a Z3

prelator
13th March 2015, 01:45 AM
How about handling of wind and turbulence? The thing that has impressed me the most about other Ritewings is how stable they are even in rough air. Does this continue that tradition?

ritewing
13th March 2015, 01:48 AM
Yes it does, we love the wind and crazy weather. We go big 10 amp hour 4s in blustery conditions. It makes it even more stable

londonguy
13th March 2015, 06:30 AM
OK I'm definitely in.

Also posting this to all my networks and feeds hoping to get some traction.

I am confident this kickstarter will be completed. Any time Chris has a new product there are hundreds of people ready to spend their money so I just hope they put their money where their mouth is.

p.S. I didn't know you recovered from cancer Chris. Damn man, puts life into perspective, all those years cutting EPP taking it's toll, i didn't even know that was possible. I hope you and the family are doing well and I really hope this Kickstarter is a success.

Kendrick57
13th March 2015, 09:21 AM
Just seen the thread it looks similar to the bird of pray from about 10 years ago, that was befor the times of FPV electric was in its infancy mainly NiMh LiPos were just starting very expensive and not high c ratings.
What material is this made from EPO EPP EPS! HDEPO. The BoP was EPP it was designed as a powered fighting wing, the best material for that job it was smaller and could turn on a dime as they say
Kendrick

afishindouban
13th March 2015, 11:31 AM
Chris, some questions

1. In the kickstart can i order 5 package in one option ? how can I do it ?
2. After you are ready to ship, can we discuss shipping address lately? because I may want to change the destination for it.
3. For a mapping UAV, I think maybe a small motor is enough and more efficient, am I right ? as you say, you have test 2815 130gram out runner. with this motor, which prop you suggest, and with 10000mAh batter, what the endurance can be, please can you give me some number.
4. for you opnion, lam or not lam how big different for it, also can you give some number estimation ? about endurance and stability.

This days dollars are crazy strong, can you image that since last November, the local currency has decrease 35% value compare to dollar ? terrible ....

Hope you can have a good campaign ! I will back you shortly.

ritewing
13th March 2015, 11:38 AM
Hi I have yet to increase the cell count with low kv motor and lighter bats to get crazy efficient. There is so many combos to try still.
I fly now with my crazy powerful setup for up to 35 to 40 mins mixed throttle.
I can change shipping addy once we are ready to ship, so you can buy now, then before they ship we can rework shipping destination then

mmfmotorsports
13th March 2015, 12:20 PM
hi Chris I just have a couple of questions about how this works. if I purchase a the one that comes with just the covering if the quota is not met will I still receive the product

kross1
13th March 2015, 12:22 PM
hi Chris I just have a couple of questions about how this works. if I purchase a the one that comes with just the covering if the quota is not met will I still receive the product

Nope. If quota is not met, then no one is charged, and nothing is made or shipped.
Just my 5-cents, I am not "the authority".

mmfmotorsports
13th March 2015, 12:24 PM
Ok thanks

ritewing
13th March 2015, 12:26 PM
This is why we need everyone's help, if we all help and all spread the news we can get it done.. This is whats nice about kickstarter, everyone is involved to help bring it to us.

heli_headcase
13th March 2015, 03:34 PM
Hey Chris,

Great info here! I have a few questions that were missed and a need for clarification one one other if you don't mind.

I like the idea of plug-in wing panels. What holds them in place? Besides the tubes that is.

When the delivery of the KS Drak is ready, will there be a choice of coroplast fin colors from which to choose?

And lastly - What is the actual measurement between the motor mounting plates?

Thanks!

ritewing
13th March 2015, 04:05 PM
Hi, its 41 mm apx ID of motor slot , there are few wing joiner keeps I am contemplating, they will be nice. Drak looks like it will be silver, black coro will be the choice , maybe red too at this point. Wing span is about 61" now.
Hey Chris,

Great info here! I have a few questions that were missed and a need for clarification one one other if you don't mind.

I like the idea of plug-in wing panels. What holds them in place? Besides the tubes that is.

When the delivery of the KS Drak is ready, will there be a choice of coroplast fin colors from which to choose?

And lastly - What is the actual measurement between the motor mounting plates?

Thanks!

heli_headcase
13th March 2015, 04:45 PM
Hi, its 41 mm apx ID of motor slot , there are few wing joiner keeps I am contemplating, they will be nice. Drak looks like it will be silver, black coro will be the choice , maybe red too at this point. Wing span is about 61" now.

Thank you! The five foot (61") span is nice but would you ever consider a 2M (78") version? The last wing I built was two meters and I love that size. Mine is one piece which is a transportation nightmare but your three-piece configuration would be perfect. Just thinking out loud… :)

Derrick
13th March 2015, 04:53 PM
Any flight/FPV footage? I haven't been following along as closely as I should and may have missed it.

prelator
13th March 2015, 04:55 PM
Thank you! The five foot (61") span is nice but would you ever consider a 2M (78") version? The last wing I built was two meters and I love that size. Mine is one piece which is a transportation nightmare but your three-piece configuration would be perfect. Just thinking out loud… :)

Remember he's not going to be hand crafting these. The point of the Kickstarter is to raise funds to have custom molds made for the EPP. That means it will be a lot easier, cheaper, and safer to make large numbers of these planes, but Chris will only be able to do one size and shape. This will be probably the first molded EPP wing in the FPV market. Most others are cut from larger slabs of EPP.

heli_headcase
13th March 2015, 05:11 PM
Remember he's not going to be hand crafting these. The point of the Kickstarter is to raise funds to have custom molds made for the EPP. That means it will be a lot easier, cheaper, and safer to make large numbers of these planes, but Chris will only be able to do one size and shape. This will be probably the first molded EPP wing in the FPV market. Most others are cut from larger slabs of EPP.

Fully understood but can't hurt to ask, right?

heli_headcase
13th March 2015, 05:12 PM
Backed! ;)

ritewing
13th March 2015, 08:16 PM
Exactly, I am just trying to get the price down so its nicer for all who wants one. If I foot the mold bill it will be a much higher price.
The mold is crazy expensive compared to epor, and unit cost is twice the cost of the Z3.
The kick start price of the Drak at this point Z3, I will barley break even at 85 k for the first minimum order quantity of parts and the mold. There is no real quality performance models molded from EPP other than my 70 Spade.
That model was a 70 k $mold and 70 k $ first order of parts run.
I have a new molder who is killing those prices . So this allows to be done in a killer foam if we can hit the goal.


The Drak flys so nice I want to compliment it with EPP .
Remember he's not going to be hand crafting these. The point of the Kickstarter is to raise funds to have custom molds made for the EPP. That means it will be a lot easier, cheaper, and safer to make large numbers of these planes, but Chris will only be able to do one size and shape. This will be probably the first molded EPP wing in the FPV market. Most others are cut from larger slabs of EPP.

OtherHand
13th March 2015, 08:31 PM
Do you expect the molding to be done in the US or overseas?

ritewing
13th March 2015, 08:45 PM
My molder I use here in PHX has a mother company in Germany that has a new special EPP that will do it, and my company here who molds my other models will import it. No china , no china molds.
Another USA company quoted me here twice the cost in a Chinese machine with molds made in china, and produced in USA so German molds and German machines sounds much better to me.
My current Z3 and other molded planes are molded here in the USA on German made molds on German machines. The molds are total quality in comparison

OtherHand
13th March 2015, 11:12 PM
My molder I use here in PHX has a mother company in Germany that has a new special EPP that will do it, and my company here who molds my other models will import it. No china , no china molds.
Another USA company quoted me here twice the cost in a Chinese machine with molds made in china, and produced in USA so German molds and German machines sounds much better to me.
My current Z3 and other molded planes are molded here in the USA on German made molds on German machines. The molds are total quality in comparison

Thanks, I like to hear that. German quality is quite nice (unexpected, too!) and I don't mind paying a premium for it. Or USA quality, for that matter. If I'm going to dump stupid amounts of money into this hobby I'd just as soon have it circulating around the US in some form or another. Anyway, I'm in for one.

ritewing
13th March 2015, 11:28 PM
Thnx so much.
I just cant do china foam at this point. The German molder and mold maker are very good.
The foam sample I got was that one in the vid we were jumping on. The foam has a weather additive and uv inhibiter so the sun wont kill it.
I was told this foam is only used in EU at this point, they said they would also be able to make at a slightly higher density for me. I have done this on all my epor models to make them stiff and true with less saggy gooey properties.


Some people say its kinda dumb to di this in kickstart, I say why not, it will get it out with some better prices and the best people who want to support it will get directly involved .


Thnx everyone , we need help telling all so it can happen.

ZobZibZab
14th March 2015, 12:26 AM
i think its a great thing you're doing it with kickstarter, if some people dont like it, why don't they send you the funds then ? ;)

ritewing
14th March 2015, 12:35 AM
Yes I agree, there is always haters out there. I was pretty surprised some of what was being said out there.

I also went on RCG, only to realize why I do not spend time there!
Its a world of difference here at the lab, If I was really in it for the big money I would not be doing it.

Having a battle with cancer over last few years really brings things to light, this passion has been my therapy, my buddies in here have been the cure.

HighwayChild
14th March 2015, 01:50 AM
Hi Chris,
Alright you got me, I'm in too for the kit with motor and laminate :)

I've never bought a ritewing before, but I've had a CTH Assassin and watched too many Zephyr videos.

I think this is a perfect use of kickstarter - you've got a supplier who you know can deliver the product, as well as a highly specialised product without the huge potential market that would justify spending the development money up front. If this isn't what Kickstarter is for, nothing is.

Should be crash proof, I just hope I don't lose it!

HC

ritewing
14th March 2015, 02:59 AM
Agreed HC, thnx for your help. New friends are always welcome.



Hi Chris,
Alright you got me, I'm in too for the kit with motor and laminate :)

I've never bought a ritewing before, but I've had a CTH Assassin and watched too many Zephyr videos.

I think this is a perfect use of kickstarter - you've got a supplier who you know can deliver the product, as well as a highly specialised product without the huge potential market that would justify spending the development money up front. If this isn't what Kickstarter is for, nothing is.

Should be crash proof, I just hope I don't lose it!

HC

skymatt14
14th March 2015, 07:23 AM
backed! ;)

johansson939
14th March 2015, 04:32 PM
Are they made in Germany and shipped to US?
Is it possible to have a European vendor that makes them and ship them within Europe? That would be great.
It would hold shipping end customs to a low price for US.

ritewing
14th March 2015, 04:37 PM
Now all parts will be shipped here for this first batch.
In the future we mite have a hub in EU.
But not at this time.
Most important thing at this point is to get the goal met.
Are they made in Germany and shipped to US?
Is it possible to have a European vendor that makes them and ship them within Europe? That would be great.
It would hold shipping end customs to a low price for US.

LVSloper
14th March 2015, 11:50 PM
I'm in for yet another Ritewing FPV plane and why not; Chris makes some really good wings. Currently flying Z2, Z3 & Mini Z which is not built yet seeing how I am having so much fun with the Z3. :)

Pushjerk
15th March 2015, 03:00 AM
Backed! ...with the works.

I'm having a bit of a love affair with the Z3. Been drooling over this model since Chris snuck a few photos into the thread some time ago.

Can't wait.

afishindouban
16th March 2015, 01:11 PM
backed....
We need help to spread it hard. last weekend the progress is not so good. I really want it get success.

minim
16th March 2015, 01:24 PM
Will the secret sauce motor for the z3 work on this also (what is max amp rating for it btw)? Considering getting another wing but I can't wait through the short summer here before I get one but if I can reuse the motor after I crash the z3 It would make more sense to back this.

StoneBlueAirlines
16th March 2015, 01:56 PM
Come on guys post this up. Plus if you want to see up build one and review it we are excited.

Pushjerk
16th March 2015, 02:11 PM
I imagine a FliteTest article would do some good. Any experience FT posters willing to jump in it?

minim
16th March 2015, 02:22 PM
I imagine a FliteTest article would do some good. Any experience FT posters willing to jump in it?

or a shoutout from rcmodelreviews https://www.youtube.com/user/RCModelReviews

ritewing
17th March 2015, 02:37 AM
Yes we need to spread this out to all we can, keep in mind this thing will be even more sexy when I get it in cad to smooth her out with fillets and contours.
I just cant foot the 85 k, its just a ton of money, if we hit the goal you get a killer price for a crazy awesome EPP Drak ,,,, and we all score .
I will do an over view vid next week when I get back from Mexico.

Maj.Duty
17th March 2015, 01:06 PM
Chris, what happens if you do not hit the mark?


Wondering if rather than not launching the project at all, that if a certain level is reached, say half of your goal, you might consider a run can still be made but at an increased cost, I assume, or if you would be willing to fill orders but without the mold, which would of course also cost more.


Or, and possibly better yet, understanding you don't want to/can't foot the 85k bill, if you are considering footing the balance if the goal is partially reached?


For example if only 50 - 75% of the goal is reached, if you might launch the project anyway, financing the balance taking the chance you'd be able to make up the balance in sales as this model gets more exposure?


The number of Z2s or Z3s sold might be a decent barometer of how many Draks could be sold?

zytrahus
17th March 2015, 08:36 PM
Yes we need to spread this out to all we can, keep in mind this thing will be even more sexy when I get it in cad to smooth her out with fillets and contours.
I just cant foot the 85 k, its just a ton of money, if we hit the goal you get a killer price for a crazy awesome EPP Drak ,,,, and we all score .
I will do an over view vid next week when I get back from Mexico.


Can't wait that overview video!

heli_headcase
17th March 2015, 10:39 PM
Did anyone hear the mention of the Drak on the latest Flite Test podcast? The guys from Stone Blue Airlines make a quick comment about it.

ritewing
17th March 2015, 11:04 PM
Let's see how far we get . At this point I am only covering foam for 600 kits and mold with 85 k. This doesn't cover parts pieces and labor to kit them. That will be about 30 k more for 600 kits. If we come up short it most likely won't happen. I was going to throw in the 30 k to get the rest covered.

ritewing
17th March 2015, 11:06 PM
Maybe it's out of reach, but I guess will see. Epor is cheaper, I just don't know if I want epor on this one.

OtherHand
17th March 2015, 11:49 PM
For me, I only jumped on it because you are doing it in EPP. I've gone through several EPO airframes and sooner of later I will really mess them up (I fly like an idiot). But I have a CrashTestHobby EPP airframe and it's damn near indestructible. However it's not terribly efficient or good for camera carrying hence my interest in the Drak. I want a payload-carrying wing in EPP. If it's EPO I'd probably pass. But you gotta do what you need to do to meet your budget.

ritewing
17th March 2015, 11:55 PM
I feel the same way about the material, if everyone who pre signed up on the website followed through we look like we can make it happen.

ritewing
17th March 2015, 11:58 PM
Only about 20 % of the people who pre signed up on the website have actually pledged. It needs help from everyone we can to get it done.

OtherHand
18th March 2015, 12:31 AM
I dunno. 20% of people who just signed up for a mailing list putting down real money sounds not too bad. Especially considering the amount of the investment. I hope it makes it though. I'd really like one.

zytrahus
18th March 2015, 12:33 AM
That wing/project has to pull through!
The new video and 3D renders of the final/molded version will help; but yeah the sooner the better.

heli_headcase
18th March 2015, 12:38 AM
Pardon my seeming ignorance but what are the obvious differences between EPP, EPO and the Elepor type foams? As long as you're not using EPS I'll be happy. Maybe there's a site that explains the good and bad or the clear differences of each one. That would be highly educational:)

Twawsi
18th March 2015, 01:04 AM
I can't believe this thing is barley at 20K and would've expected it to be 10 or 15K higher at this point.

PabloJaime
18th March 2015, 03:02 AM
C'mon lads!!! here is the link to back this project if you loose it!!!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598250936/ritewing-drak-the-next-generation-rc-aircraft-dron

minim
18th March 2015, 03:59 AM
Only about 20 % of the people who pre signed up on the website have actually pledged. It needs help from everyone we can to get it done.

I did sign up on the website but I haven't backed the project jet. Mostly because when I buy something I want it right now not In a half year :P I know it's not practical to do it any faster but for all I know there are sweeter models out there next year (the launch date is at the end of the season here in Norway)..

I hope you reach the goal and if nothing else pops up I'll prolly order this when it's launched.

Another thought if this doesn't reach the limit. What about selling "stocks" for the mold and design so the backers could get revenue of the money from backing upfront. With the revenue capped at let's say 1,5x initial investment and a minimum amount of $1000 you would need less people but the backers from the start would get more bang for their buck when taking the risk (basically a free model + get back 1,5 the money spent). The deal is not so lucrative for you as this takes from your cut on the models you will be selling for a while but tbh the investors is taking the risk here so imo it's only fair to put in some gain from that also. I don't have all the numbers you prolly have so I don't know what time horizon we would be talking about here but I would be more interested in something like this since I have faith in the project.

Bauf
18th March 2015, 05:33 AM
Yep, i'm in the same boat as minim. I pre signed but when i saw the shipping will be in august i became unsure, cus almost the whole season will be gone :(
Gonna decide in a few days if i'm going to back it or just buy the Z3.

Hizlimax
18th March 2015, 06:04 AM
I can't believe how many useless plastic "Drones" that promise it can fly to the moon and come back, get funded very easily in Kickstarter. Chris, maybe you need some publicity. I see some projects post several magazines and websites under a section called "As seen on". There are many first timers in Kickstarter backing projects just because they think its cool and then break the thing in maiden. Most of those people won't even be able to build this wing, but they will realize that once they receive it and eventually get help from others or purchase it built from you. I know they are not your target market, but for business sake they should be targeted. You are providing them a great design and product so no worries there. Even though I find some of them cheesy, you could use Flitetest, That Drone Show or other similar blogs. How about posting a short youtube video showing Drak do something cool and interesting that will catch people's attention since it was never done before...even though its not the purpose of the wing. Just throwing some ideas, I hope to see this succeed. Cheers.

Marc Booth
18th March 2015, 07:48 AM
Pledged!

Hope this goes well for you Chris.

I'm still loving my old ZII.
I expect great things!

aaron_gx
19th March 2015, 10:46 AM
Sexy looking plane, guys.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa247/aaron_gx/Mobile%20Uploads/20150312_135928_zpswdzxoqka.jpg

Maj.Duty
19th March 2015, 02:29 PM
Maybe it's out of reach, but I guess will see. Epor is cheaper, I just don't know if I want epor on this one.


But wouldn't Epor be better than nothing? I understand the strong desire for EPP but if this fails to get backed it would sure be nice to at least have this bird in EPO.


As far as getting the word out, I'm not privy to any advertising going on or not but I only heard about this through these boards. I haven't seen any other mention of this, or even Ritewing in any publication anywhere, electronic or paper. Have you ever advertised in Model Aviation? I'm sure it's not cheap but it might reap rewards and get the plane and the company some nice exposure.


Hope it works out for you, Chris. You've got my credit card information already, FWIW

PabloJaime
20th March 2015, 04:28 AM
OMFG!!!!!! and this cr@p made almost 150K????? F@ck Me!!!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/urbandrones/splash-drone-a-waterproof-drone-with-autonomous-fe

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/78/788d7237ecca60d8d235cb352eab832f472264065a048fcd24 adc834f0ca82f0.jpg

boopidoo
20th March 2015, 04:54 AM
I wish your project good luck, Chris. It seems like a very competent airframe and look forward to seeing them in the sky.

Mcrock
20th March 2015, 05:23 AM
Rule of thumb. . Post everywhere as those that may not even be aware of an opportunity to acquire such an airframe may be in someone else's contact group that you don't even know.
Backed this early at number 7 spot I believe. ..
Looking for more video and background info.. Also more info on where this design could lead into with additional additions to the airframe for those wishing to use the frame for research.
Suiting yes .... farmers as well . Built to last .
M

Red Dog NZ
20th March 2015, 05:50 AM
I had pledged. But then the exchange rate took a nose dive, and I got hit with an unexpected hospital bill. So I had to withdraw, which really pissed me off. If The finances look okay before the close off date I will reconsider. Here's hoping.

Twawsi
20th March 2015, 06:00 AM
OMFG!!!!!! and this cr@p made almost 150K????? F@ck Me!!!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/urbandrones/splash-drone-a-waterproof-drone-with-autonomous-fe

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/78/788d7237ecca60d8d235cb352eab832f472264065a048fcd24 adc834f0ca82f0.jpg


Nice Pablo, I agree...that thing is crap! Here we have a great product from a great dude that EVERYONE knows is a great businessman and we are not able to gain traction on this? Wasnt that long ago, people were doing everything they could to fly RITE. I gave up on FB a few weeks ago, looks like I need to reopen my account just to help advertise this project. This is just me venting while at work....speaking of which...I should probably get back to that.

PabloJaime
20th March 2015, 12:34 PM
Posted in RCGroups.... http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2368034

Derrick
20th March 2015, 09:06 PM
Stone Blue Airlines mentioned it in the Flite Test podcast... but didn't say anything about the kickstarter, was kinda disappointed that they didn't... but to their defense I don't know when the podcast was recorded.

rank
20th March 2015, 11:44 PM
If Ritewing could make it to Flitetest, perhaps with a prototype model and mention about the kickstarter, that would certainly attract a lot of people. But, I guess, it's a little to late for that now.

ZobZibZab
21st March 2015, 12:42 AM
If Ritewing could make it to Flitetest, perhaps with a prototype model and mention about the kickstarter, that would certainly attract a lot of people. But, I guess, it's a little to late for that now.
never too late :)

PabloJaime
23rd March 2015, 03:56 PM
Yeah!!! almost 30% of the goal!!!

citi888
24th March 2015, 12:06 PM
For people like me who use a Z2, what is the difference with the DraK in term of flight ?

AlyxAT
24th March 2015, 05:23 PM
Backed!

I hope the project makes it. I'd really like being part of the Ritewing family.

Chris: What's your plan if we don't make it to 85k?

Hobaoe
25th March 2015, 05:16 AM
Ive just sent an email to bill gates for some help..
Lets pray that he actually respond and raising some money.

StoneBlueAirlines
25th March 2015, 09:29 AM
Yes we sure did and we are excited about that plane. I have one on order my self. Love us some EPP and molding it will be awesome. Support this guys love what is coming out of the USA support our guys in our own country. We stock as much USA made goods as we can.

StoneBlueAirlines
25th March 2015, 09:31 AM
We did not have info on the kickstarter at that time only that is was coming or i would have for sure.

mashednz
25th March 2015, 10:45 PM
I'm hoping I can back this before it runs out. I wasn't expecting the kickstarter this soon and we just had our second kid so I don't know if I can swing new planes in the budget right now :/

I'm linking wait where I can to try and get the word out.

Hizlimax
26th March 2015, 09:18 AM
Hey Chris can you fit a second one in the same box for shipping?

route81
26th March 2015, 11:31 AM
Hi Chris,

what I see in your videos is mainly a great flying and looking acft that has an impressive speed range. This is very clear just looking at the videos. The images you provided also give a nice idea of the payload capabilities.
What I don't see is FPV footage.
Any experienced FPV pilot can understand very well the potential of your platform, but what about all those sales of the original Zeph and Zeph II that were triggered by those awsome videos made by weknowho.
We must admit that those videos got into the hobby many of us, many former LOS pilots and many...would-like-2-b FPV pilots.
All were your customers however. As someone pointed out already, you really need to reach for visibility out of our FPV garages. Of course the times to go out zipping around the Statue of Liberty are over .....

Cheers,

j.

ritewing
26th March 2015, 12:38 PM
Hi ,yes I can do that on international shipments.
Hey Chris can you fit a second one in the same box for shipping?

kross1
26th March 2015, 03:59 PM
Backed!

I hope the project makes it. I'd really like being part of the Ritewing family.

Chris: What's your plan if we don't make it to 85k?

I really can't speak for Chris, but, I'd guess: drink a beer, and wonder "WTF?!"

ritewing
26th March 2015, 04:34 PM
I am just wondering why the participation is so low, we have sold tons of planes, this should really be a breeze to hit this #.
I set it low to help with the major cost.


I have a few plans that we can work with, lets see how this goes for now.

SecretSpy711
26th March 2015, 04:57 PM
Theory: there are no caps on the pledge levels, thus no real incentive to pledge early. I suspect there are more than a few guys (myself included) that are waiting to see how the funding phase goes, and only want to contribute if it looks like it will be successful. Perhaps if you added caps (can you add them after its started?) it might get further.

also... maybe post it on reddit if you haven't already?

and an interesting read: http://www.appsblogger.com/behind-kickstarter-crowdfunding-stats/

x4FF3
26th March 2015, 05:33 PM
earlybird levels typically help, with a little discount ;)

ritewing
26th March 2015, 05:41 PM
Yes but there nothing to loose, if it does not fund nobody loses anything. So with all the customers in the past I was hoping a small portion of them would step up and go for this product at this price point in this ultimate material. The mold cost on this are substantial, people have been asking me for molded Epp for years. I'm just trying to bring it to fruition.

SecretSpy711
26th March 2015, 05:58 PM
Well I was going to say that the thing I "lose" is that I would be out that money until its successful or not, but it appears I am wrong. I just went to read some of kickstarter's backer questions since I have never backed anything before. I did not realize that my card only gets charged at the funding deadline, if the project is successful.

Pookyjuice
26th March 2015, 06:01 PM
Well I was going to say that the thing I "lose" is that I would be out that money until its successful or not, but it appears I am wrong. I just went to read some of kickstarter's backer questions since I have never backed anything before. I did not realize that my card only gets charged at the funding deadline, if the project is successful.

Yeah, I just figured that out myself as a newbie backer. Had I known I would've backed sooner.

ritewing
26th March 2015, 06:05 PM
Yes you don't get charged anything, unless the goal is met, Then your card is charged.

billy_boy_2010
26th March 2015, 06:41 PM
I suppose it's a bit unusual for a well established company to need a kickstart. Are you asking for genuine feedback? I could write for a while...... :)

ritewing
26th March 2015, 06:46 PM
We are not a huge company and the unit cost is much higher for the foam parts we get for other planes. Since we are using a special EPP these parts will also be molded in Germany and have to be shipped here, there is a lot of extra work to do this type of model and bring it to the customer at a nice price that will be nice for everyone.
So if everyone's willing to help it will keep the cost down ,what's wrong with using the Kickstarter to help bring the savings on. I don't understand? The mold cost is huge , the minimum order of parts is a huge cost compared to the other models. So I wanted to see how much help we can muster up.
I have dropped serious coin over the years for molds and products , I just wanted to keep the price at or un 200.00 for the kit.

If it hits 85 k I will still be spending a ton to get them all kitted with parts, so the 85k is just for the mold and the first run of parts.


If it doesn't go then it doesn't go and at least we tried.

billy_boy_2010
26th March 2015, 07:13 PM
Fair enough. Let me know if you want my thoughts :)

ezikiel12
26th March 2015, 08:12 PM
Here's just a few problems. First, many of the FPV veterans that I fly with and have major online presence had no idea the project even existed. So there needs to be a greater volume of marketing. Second, we need more information, a few videos flying around a field is meaningless to me. Have someone review the thing, I see all these random people building them and then.... nothing. The limited run of these things should have been given to people who would give it the publicity it deserves. Also, it should be right on the front page of the drak web page that the kickstarter will not charge the customer until the goal is hit.

Give on to TBS with a contract to do a review of it featuring some mountain bombing. That will get you funded in no time.

zytrahus
26th March 2015, 08:29 PM
there is still 2 weeks to go. Use one day to find the best FPV pilot willing to review it. I am sure it shouldn't be hard to find, maybe one of them has already pledge, who knows. Send him of your as a loaner (if needed), express it to him, have him to a couple days of flying, and publish a video.

There must be someone with huge youtube/forums (/facebook or whatever) exposure who is willing to expedite a review to make that project happen.

There is already a nice number of backers but it's still a huge goal, and actually limited time considering the few media exposure.

I would be fine with lengthening the time to fund the project, although I am not familiar with kickstarter and I wouldn't know if it's possible or not.
But I think ultimately, all this project needs is the exposure it deserves.

But again, I think there is still time. If you get the exposure it deserves even within the last couple days of the kickstarter I am sure it'll get funded.

ritewing
26th March 2015, 08:41 PM
I have sent out two for review, one got sat on due to his family problems, and Arron GX is trying to get his done.
I made twelve, all of them are spoken for for mapping customer projects .
It took me the month of January to kit all twelve, I saw how long it takes when I stated making them, I knew what it will take to do them correctly, so it needs molding.
I am only a one man show, I am trying to get it to you as soon as possible. I have one going to stone blue soon, but I am sure it will be too late for the kickstart. The vids clearly show how well it flys, I would push this material and this mold If I thought it wasn't worthy of it.
Its just an amazing plane with great high and low speed capabilities, its very stable in flight for video.

Just got home today, been in the hospital. I went to mexico last week to train some flyers . A bad virus it put me in the hospital a few days after I got home.
I am just trying to see this project move along, everyone who has flown it or see it fly understands why. If I do it without kickstart the prices with be a little different. I wanted to keep them lower .

zytrahus
26th March 2015, 08:45 PM
that's awesome to hear! there is clearly no doubt about how good the plane is and I don't think the few (if any) people doubting about it would be a reason for the project not to be funded in time.
I really think it's all about exposure right now.

those reviews if posted in time will definitely help!

wyll
26th March 2015, 08:50 PM
if you can't get anyone to review it try and get them to mention it. Maybe see if stoneblue can make a video about the kick starter and also see if you can get flite test to mention it or something.

AlyxAT
26th March 2015, 10:52 PM
I think wyll and zytrahus are right. A little commercial or review would help. I backed because I read in the FAQ that there is no charge if the project is not funded. Although I guessed that the plane we I'll be nice to fly fpv, I didn't find any fpv videos of it flying wich wad a major bummer.

Edit: Can you slap a Mobius/Gopro on the plane and just tape a raw video flying a bit? I think that would help a lot too. It would be another perspective and people could see the stability of the wing.

Mcrock
27th March 2015, 02:14 AM
Hmmm gonna add another to my order without the extras I think..
So can you see these come through as an extra unit and adjust shipping later ..
Cheers M

kross1
27th March 2015, 07:22 AM
^^ agreed^^. I have not backed it yet, but want/plan to, just getting up the courage to "not be cheap". The LOS sample flights are awesome, love to see some from the FPV POV.

Provotroll
27th March 2015, 08:15 AM
As you probably know shooting and editing a high quality FPV video takes a lot of time. It was several month from when Chris sent me a Z3 kit( prior to release) to when I was able to upload a good video. Same with the TBS videos you mentioned. TBS sure helped to sell a few wings but the Ritewing success is made by only one thing: supreme quality products.
That NY video was made with a maxi swift as far as I know, not a Ritewing.


Hi Chris,

what I see in your videos is mainly a great flying and looking acft that has an impressive speed range. This is very clear just looking at the videos. The images you provided also give a nice idea of the payload capabilities.
What I don't see is FPV footage.
Any experienced FPV pilot can understand very well the potential of your platform, but what about all those sales of the original Zeph and Zeph II that were triggered by those awsome videos made by weknowho.
We must admit that those videos got into the hobby many of us, many former LOS pilots and many...would-like-2-b FPV pilots.
All were your customers however. As someone pointed out already, you really need to reach for visibility out of our FPV garages. Of course the times to go out zipping around the Statue of Liberty are over .....

Cheers,

j.

nd3
27th March 2015, 09:09 AM
I was like some of the other guys waiting until the end to back.. I went ahead and did it yesterday just to show my support and help prop the numbers. Hopefully more will pull the trigger towards the end.

jimmaplesong
27th March 2015, 10:19 AM
Backed! I wanna eventually do some pro surveying work... and would love it if this wing became the standard.

I've been waiting and hoping AaronGX got his in the air... I know Chris can launch it ok... but can the rest of us :) ?? I'd love to see some numbers like glide ratio too. I suspect it's much better then the Z3.

Is there a video that shows a few stalls?

boopidoo
27th March 2015, 10:57 AM
That NY video was made with a maxi swift as far as I know, not a Ritewing.
The wing in the first NYC video was from Ritewing as shown in trappys comments in that video.

PabloJaime
27th March 2015, 11:39 AM
85 Backers and 33% of the goal!!! we have 14 more days!!!!

route81
27th March 2015, 12:16 PM
Absolutely agree with you Provo about the effort needed to get a nice FPV video but hey.....it's on Kickstarter now, there is a lot in the system which is about SHOW!
So you must give them the SHOW!
Not everyone that buys a Porsche is really able to drive it as you should, but I guess in Stuttgart they don't mind if 50% sales goes to people that have problems even just getting into a 911 but like the idea of having one and speaking about one. (Leave Cayennes, Panameras and Macans out of the equation here .-)

What I wanted to say is that you need to lure into backing the project even those who just have the money and think its something cooool and may never get one actually in the air.
Unfortunately.
Cruel.
Business.

ritewing
27th March 2015, 12:40 PM
I guess we will see what it does.
I always have tricks up my sleeve. I have some nice fpv vids of me flying it, as a rule for what I fly and where I fly I don't make them public, I am already on the Radar just being ritewing.
I never usually post any vids of my flying fpv.

rank
27th March 2015, 03:28 PM
Not an issue, ritewing, just set the "Wasn't me" song as a background

aaron_gx
27th March 2015, 03:44 PM
I have my Drak60 finished. It is ready to go for maiden, but I am waiting for props. They must be on the slow boat, and LHS here and in Calgary do not have any suitable 11" props.

As soon as I have a prop to strap on this bad boy, we will have maiden video. :)

aaron_gx
27th March 2015, 03:46 PM
I'd try 10x6 (I have tons of them), but I fear that at 3.1kg, it may be too heavy to launch successfully. If it takes much more time, I may just try it with 10x6. Just didnt want to write it off on the first launch!

Pookyjuice
27th March 2015, 04:31 PM
^steep hill + fluffypillowgrass :)

zytrahus
27th March 2015, 04:33 PM
I have my Drak60 finished. It is ready to go for maiden, but I am waiting for props. They must be on the slow boat, and LHS here and in Calgary do not have any suitable 11" props.

As soon as I have a prop to strap on this bad boy, we will have maiden video. :)
there must be someone with one willing to express mail it :D
I know I would if I had one :D

ritewing
27th March 2015, 04:34 PM
10/6 work great too, it would launch fine with it.
The 11/7 is just stupid fun, its got crazy climb out with it.
I'd try 10x6 (I have tons of them), but I fear that at 3.1kg, it may be too heavy to launch successfully. If it takes much more time, I may just try it with 10x6. Just didnt want to write it off on the first launch!

kross1
27th March 2015, 05:33 PM
Backed.

kross1
27th March 2015, 05:34 PM
Backed.

his dudeness
27th March 2015, 05:41 PM
We are not a huge company and the unit cost is much higher for the foam parts we get for other planes. Since we are using a special EPP these parts will also be molded in Germany and have to be shipped here, there is a lot of extra work to do this type of model and bring it to the customer at a nice price that will be nice for everyone.


Does that mean you can ship it to euro backers from germany? It really is a turnoff to pay huge amounts of tolls and shipping for those huge planes.

StoneBlueAirlines
27th March 2015, 06:06 PM
I know a secret but i wont tell you just going to have to watch out on our youtube next week :)

zytrahus
27th March 2015, 06:19 PM
I know a secret but i wont tell you just going to have to watch out on our youtube next week :)
this either sounds very good or this is just plain bad joke :D

ritewing
27th March 2015, 07:35 PM
No, I can not ship from Europe .

StoneBlueAirlines
27th March 2015, 08:13 PM
:) No joking around over here i promise on this one.

StoneBlueAirlines
27th March 2015, 10:33 PM
[/URL]Top Secret FPV Footage of the Drak in its natural habitat.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBA2kdH0Og&feature=youtu.be"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBA2kdH0Og&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBA2kdH0Og&feature=youtu.be)

OtherHand
27th March 2015, 10:54 PM
Very nice! Just what the Kickstarter needs.

A question about the video through......The portions of it shot when descending down toward the drainage channel make the buildings along the side look like models, like it was a scale model. Clearly it wasn't. What sort of video effect is that? It looks interesting.

gobigdale
27th March 2015, 11:40 PM
Very nice. Glad to see you guys test one of these out. Need to get some of these möbius mounts to get the vibes out of the video. They are 3d printed ninja flex and work great. All my birds are getting them.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/27/268bee133eba5e12a0ce31d9b6bfe1c0.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/27/25cfd14d143ecdddc2f057a5b4325628.jpg

faber
27th March 2015, 11:58 PM
I dig those mounts! Got an .stl? I got a roll of Ninjaflex just waiting for this kind of goodness!

gobigdale
28th March 2015, 12:05 AM
I don't Johnny. Bought them from a guy up here in WA. Let me do some research, maybe I can figure something out.

zytrahus
28th March 2015, 12:26 AM
[/URL]Top Secret FPV Footage of the Drak in its natural habitat.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBA2kdH0Og&feature=youtu.be"]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBA2kdH0Og&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnBA2kdH0Og&feature=youtu.be)

very nice video!
yeah the short depth of field made an interesting scaling effect haha I really thought it was a model in the beginning.

OtherHand
28th March 2015, 01:01 AM
very nice video!
yeah the short depth of field made an interesting scaling effect haha I really thought it was a model in the beginning.

I figured it was a short depth of field, but is that done natively in the camera? Or is it some funky post-processing? I liked it a lot, sort of a CGI model.

faber
28th March 2015, 01:10 AM
I don't Johnny. Bought them from a guy up here in WA. Let me do some research, maybe I can figure something out.
No worries my man! I can model some up real quick :) hit me up if you need any spares! I always hook my buddies up.

stewpid
28th March 2015, 01:28 AM
I figured it was a short depth of field, but is that done natively in the camera? Or is it some funky post-processing? I liked it a lot, sort of a CGI model.

The time/date stamp looks like that off a Mobius for the relevant footage, and as far as I know fake tilt/shift that isn't a feature of that camera. That makes me assume it was a post processing effect.

(Extra photo nerdy: It would have to be fake tilt-shift vs. real tilt-shift, since authentic tilt-shift lenses are generally DSLR and above only, and would probably weigh more than a fully loaded Drak anyhow.

Links:

http://visualphotoguide.com/tilt-shift-photoshop-tutorial-how-to-make-fake-miniature-scenes/

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atilt%20shift%20lens

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/tilt-shift-lenses2.htm)

Oh, by the way: backed.

AlyxAT
28th March 2015, 08:35 AM
God! I love the Vid. I just hope it gets the Project rolling.
I need one of these Wings now! Gotta take some nice footage in the Austrian Alps with it.

kross1
28th March 2015, 08:35 PM
I'd like to add...

If you're like me, and have been hemming and hawing about whether to back this, or whether to back it now, or at the last minute....

JUST DO IT, NOW.

If we all wait "for the last minute" it may never happen. I expect the more that back it early, the more will join in as well. Just my thinking....

Remember, you only pay if the goal is reached, you pay nothing otherwise.

jdjeff
28th March 2015, 09:44 PM
I was just about ready to make a pledge for $375. Then it occurred to me: "They will not charge my card yet, but will they put a hold on the funds?" Call me old school here, but storing credit card info for a non-purchase seems a little....no alot risky to me. I seriously want to back this project. I'd love to get my hands on a DRAK. I trust Chris with my CC info. But who the heck are the 108 employees at this KiskStarter thing? I looked around the site and couldn't find anything sort of detail about volunteering my CC info and how I might be protected. Anyone have any experience with this site?

Hmerly
28th March 2015, 09:46 PM
Heh you've never heard of kickstarter? What rock have you been living under?

ritewing
28th March 2015, 10:01 PM
It's perfectly safe bro.

kross1
28th March 2015, 10:09 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickstarter

Check out KickStarter in the link above, totally legit.

jdjeff
28th March 2015, 10:11 PM
Heh you've never heard of kickstarter? What rock have you been living under?

So to be in with the trendies, it's customary to quick run over to the latest new dot.com and register? I'll make a note of it.

serac
28th March 2015, 10:12 PM
Kickstarter is completely legitimate and safe. Lots of new products are being started this way. Pick up any business magazine, and you;re likely to see something about crowd funding or crowd sourcing. More than likely, this is Kickstarter. I've funded a few projects that made it (and I got the product). I've also funded a few failed projects - nothing on my credit card. The Kickstarter route is a good way to go for Ritewing.

jdjeff
28th March 2015, 10:20 PM
Ok..so it's legit and I'm an idiot for never participating in it. All points well taken. If I submit my CC info, will my card have a hold on it for $407? I tend to look at those details....I know it's stupid....but that's how I roll.

Hmerly
28th March 2015, 11:02 PM
Nah nothing shows up unless the kickstarter actually reaches its goal. You're also able to cancel anytime before the end

OtherHand
28th March 2015, 11:10 PM
I don't believe there's any sort of hold put on the card until/if funding simply because there's no guarantee a particular project will reach its goal and fund. It's a little amusing that you are concerned about what Kickstarter is doing with your CC and not the project leader. Now this is not applicable to Ritewing at all, but for a number of other Kickstarter projects the project leaders just pissed away the money provided and never coughed up a finished project. There's no guarantee for participants. That's the real danger of Kickstarter. But again, Ritewing is a trusted name and that's not going to happen. So slap down that CC!

Here's what Kickstarter has to say about it:

If you've backed a project that is still live and are seeing a charge on your bank statement, what you are likely seeing is a temporary authorization of funds. The time it takes for an authorization to clear varies on the bank, but typically takes 1 - 3 days. You will not be charged until the project you backed has ended successfully

StoneBlueAirlines
28th March 2015, 11:16 PM
I am Jeremiah I own and run Stone Blue Airlines and also my marketing and branding company Stone Blue Productions. Its just a video effect but i thought it fit for this video.

StoneBlueAirlines
28th March 2015, 11:17 PM
Nice where do you get these again?

StoneBlueAirlines
28th March 2015, 11:18 PM
No it was just an effect :)

StoneBlueAirlines
28th March 2015, 11:19 PM
Totally agree the cost will be lower doing it this way as more can be produced up front save on cost to the buyer.

StoneBlueAirlines
28th March 2015, 11:20 PM
Ya its an amazon backed company my bother did one and i have also help to fund others its no issue and safe.

StoneBlueAirlines
28th March 2015, 11:22 PM
Check the Stone Blue Airlines Youtube for one more special video tomorrow.
Just finished another cool edit going up.
60273

jdjeff
29th March 2015, 08:41 AM
I don't believe there's any sort of hold put on the card until/if funding simply because there's no guarantee a particular project will reach its goal and fund. It's a little amusing that you are concerned about what Kickstarter is doing with your CC and not the project leader. Now this is not applicable to Ritewing at all, but for a number of other Kickstarter projects the project leaders just pissed away the money provided and never coughed up a finished project. There's no guarantee for participants. That's the real danger of Kickstarter. But again, Ritewing is a trusted name and that's not going to happen. So slap down that CC!

Here's what Kickstarter has to say about it:

If you've backed a project that is still live and are seeing a charge on your bank statement, what you are likely seeing is a temporary authorization of funds. The time it takes for an authorization to clear varies on the bank, but typically takes 1 - 3 days. You will not be charged until the project you backed has ended successfully

I found that same FAQ. I do believe a temporary authorization of funds is a hold. Whatever amount you decide to pledge has to be available when the transaction kicks in. So a hold does not mean you are being charged. It does affect your CC limit OR your checking account balance for a debit card....in other words, your available amount for future transactions.

I don't find any of what I'm asking "amusing". I've gotten my CC/Debit card compromised twice now on 2 different debit cards. One time for $1.99 and another time for $2850. If I hadn't scrutinized my finances like I do, I would have likely missed the $1.99 charge to my card....which is what it's designed to do in the first place. So I am not going to blindly offer up my banking info to anyone without knowing the details. That's just the way it is.

I've done business with Chris numerous times. I made a $3k purchase from Chris. I have no reason to believe he will run off with the money. However, that was done through Paypal which has a dispute system and it works well...I know...I've had to use it. Kickstarter says that Paypal payments are not an option. So you can laugh all you want. But when I fill in a form for the first time and there's a bunch of loose ends, I'm going to ask questions.

Chris...I put in a reminder request and I'm going to wait. But I'm in.

kross1
29th March 2015, 01:23 PM
Jdjeff-

I appreciate your caution. There is far too much fraud out there. We too have had compromises, a lot of folks have.

Good thing the card companies are generally reasonable in cleaning it up, but there are many horror stories.

ritewing
29th March 2015, 06:10 PM
Stone Blue Rocks!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO__Mxxoz9I

Johnny
29th March 2015, 07:10 PM
Stone Blue Rocks!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO__Mxxoz9I

Shared on FB

AlyxAT
30th March 2015, 03:12 AM
It's so smooth! I can't wait getting my hands on one of your Wings Chris!
I shared the Video and some of my friends told me that they backed too. I hope it's not too late to spread the word!

mashednz
30th March 2015, 11:55 AM
Wrong thread oops :)

ritewing
1st April 2015, 02:49 PM
Hey guys I will get it molded whether it kicks or not. I will still try to offer the same prices on the kick start for a pre order if you guys are willing to do a pre order. Here is a few pictures of the one that's going to get imported into cad ,it has my final tweaks and designs on it. I have opened up the center area to fit a landscape camera for mapping. This will also allow tons of room for gear and all kinds of other things . I will keep you up to date on the CAD drawings and the progress of the mold as we go along. I'm trying to keep it on the same schedule as we had before. I don't want to skip a beat.

ritewing
1st April 2015, 02:56 PM
Pixhttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/24cff5bcbca2fb72f712154d9ed2908a.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/d5e13b89b92b12efbd68125d45b35bbb.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/2a86977b678e3f16258fafe53fe9897b.jpg

ritewing
1st April 2015, 03:00 PM
You can see I cleared out one side of the bay, once in cad both sides will be symmetrically cleared out, it will have mass room over the CG and in the bays behind.
My goal is to make it have room to fit Nex type cams on CG so it will be the ultimate mapper.

OtherHand
1st April 2015, 03:08 PM
I'm in for one either way as EPP is what I need. Just let us know what we need to do in regards to a pre-order if it comes to that.

ritewing
1st April 2015, 03:10 PM
Great, my molder said they will help us get this done , with everyone's help we can pull it off

AlyxAT
1st April 2015, 03:38 PM
Count me in too. It would be a shame not to get this baby in production.
Let us know how we can participate in a pre-order! I want to be the first in my club to fly this thing ^^

ritewing
1st April 2015, 03:43 PM
Thnx guys the show of support is great, I will get this thing done a scheduled whether it kicks on kickstart or not.
Updates will flow on the progress.
Count me in too. It would be a shame not to get this baby in production.
Let us know how we can participate in a pre-order! I want to be the first in my club to fly this thing ^^

gobigdale
1st April 2015, 03:46 PM
I am in either way. Probably for at least 2

heli_headcase
1st April 2015, 04:42 PM
Count me in for a preorder too. I already have all my electronics ready and would rather install them in the Drak than some 'super hero' wing ;)

Eh, this is no April Fools joke, rite?

Pushjerk
1st April 2015, 04:57 PM
Great News! I was getting a little disheartened watching the kickstarter. Thrilled to hear will still be moving forward.

Majki
1st April 2015, 05:03 PM
I'm 100% in for the preorder. Do you Chris still see August as a realistic target for your first kits? I am really relieved that the Drak project will not end with the kickstarter campaign. It is such an amazing wing it would be a great loss for the whole RC community.

ritewing
1st April 2015, 05:57 PM
Yes we will still keep on schedule , If we can get it earlier we will try.
Its an awesome plane, it has to get done in EPP.
I will need all the help I can get from you guys.

zytrahus
1st April 2015, 08:31 PM
I'm in for a pre-order as well!!!

ritewing
1st April 2015, 09:09 PM
You guys rock!

HFMan
1st April 2015, 10:08 PM
So all of you in for the pre-order- did you also sign up for the Kickstarter???

Pushjerk
1st April 2015, 10:24 PM
^affirm

If this is indeed a strongly desired metric, perhaps a new thread/poll?

ritewing
1st April 2015, 10:26 PM
There is no pre order as of yet , if the Kickstarter doesn't meet its goal, I am talking about doing a pre order.

Twawsi
1st April 2015, 11:52 PM
I'm in regardless which method you end up using Chris.

Rheutan7
2nd April 2015, 12:11 AM
Same here! I jumped on the kickstarter because i wanted to join in with the infamous ritewing owners! I really hope it gets funded, but if not, I'm really glad to hear such an awesome company taking the initiative to move forward even without the up-front funding. Either way it goes, I'm in for owning a Drak!

Hmerly
2nd April 2015, 12:31 AM
Great to hear. I always get disappointed when things I back on Kickstarter doesn't meet their goals, but hearing this really relieves my worries.

route81
2nd April 2015, 05:56 AM
I'm in regardless which method you end up using Chris.

Me too!

Hizlimax
2nd April 2015, 09:55 AM
Great news Chris. I'm in either way for 2.

ritewing
2nd April 2015, 02:19 PM
Here is a pic of the Z2 before it was sent in for cad import, it's a good example of history. 60448

Maj.Duty
2nd April 2015, 03:11 PM
There is no pre order as of yet , if the Kickstarter doesn't meet its goal, I am talking about doing a pre order.


How does that work? A pre-order would be in effect until 85k in pre-orders was reached?


Still 8 days to go but sitting at >50k short it looks like it is not going to reach the desired mark which, is a shame!


I'm hoping that the people who have backed this can somehow become owners of this airframe but I don't understand how that can happen unless someone fronts the money that comes up short.

ritewing
2nd April 2015, 03:33 PM
Worst case scenario is kickstart wont fund, that means we don't get funds for a mold off kickstart.
My molder said he would work with me on the initial down payment to get the mold going , this means the project will still be on track. But now I will be footing a huge major cost to do this.

I was hoping that the kickstart would help on the first order of goods and get the mold paid for.
It looks like the kickstart is not going to reach its goal, but lets see what it does.

If it does not we are contemplating doing a preorder of my website to keep on schedule for you guys, I want to also keep the kickstart price as close as I can for you guys who do a pre order.
With the start up cost so high I will have raise the prices later to help with the huge cost I will
now be taking on.

So all my good people in here are showing there support saying they will still order to help me offset the major cost that will be now had by Ritewing.

We are not a huge company, we just have huge aspirations and great products.


I appreciate all the support guys, please keep it coming. I want to keep this on track so we don't skip a beat.
Its just going to require some creativity and support by all to do this.

OtherHand
2nd April 2015, 03:57 PM
Personally I have no problem with an initial higher price since you have to cover the molds in a different way. If I wanted an inexpensive flying wing it wouldn't be this anyway and I'd be looking elsewhere. The only other large EPP wing I know of is by Crash Test Hobby (the Hercules), and while a good design and extremely tough it lacks the ready made cargo capacity of the Drak as well as the forward swept stability. And it's about $208 shipped in the US. Given Ritewing's well established design reputation you could, and maybe should, charge more. There will always be a few who will complain if you don't hold to the Kickstarter price, but Rule Number One is for you to stay in business. If you had been able to get together a preorder via Kickstarter of over 400 planes (a shitload of planes, BTW), then yeah, everyone would get the best price possible. But it doesn't appear to be headed that way so now it's gonna cost what it's gonna cost. And as a USA business, I'd like it if you were still in business next year should I want to buy some other silly thing.

heli_headcase
2nd April 2015, 03:57 PM
Hey Chris, are you going to be coming to SEFF to show off the prototype Drak? I'd love to see it up close. THX!

ritewing
2nd April 2015, 04:06 PM
I agree, I have a meeting with the molder to nail the cost down next week.
The mold cost is around 50 k and first order of parts is 30 k. So we will see where were at soon.
The cost will go up some, but its a product like no other.

ratphael
2nd April 2015, 09:58 PM
Great news that it will still happen.I would have loved to help with the kickstarter but I budgeted myself out on my new Z3.I'm in soon for a Drak preorder just hope it doesn't take quit as long as the Dominator HDs I purchased did.

Hmerly
2nd April 2015, 11:31 PM
Its amazing how some junk plastic multi-rotor on kickstarter gets 100k+ yet something like this can't seem to budge very much.

ritewing
2nd April 2015, 11:33 PM
Yes, because real pilots are required to need skilz, lol

Provotroll
3rd April 2015, 01:27 AM
I had another look at the Drak that will be imported into CAD. I really like how you made the transition from fuse to wing now. A lot smoother andmore oorganic. I like it!
I also recognised the new mechanism to attach the wings. The rubber bands worked great for me on the Z3. Why didn't you stick to that mechanism?
Have you thought about the foam color yet? Most wings are white, black is horrible in summer and warps the wing but what about a light grey? I'm thinking of a light fighter plane grey. Would for sure look great and people could still put some paint on it as long as it's light enough.

ritewing
3rd April 2015, 01:31 AM
The new color will be silver color like the block sample we had in the Kickstarter intro vid. It's a special EPP that has a UV sunscreen in it.

nd3
3rd April 2015, 02:14 AM
Backed the kickstarter and will preorder if necessary. Can you tell us a bit about the secret sauce motor? I didnt choose that package because I didnt know anything about it. I assume its 4S but dont know for sure. Please give the basic details.

Matty12
3rd April 2015, 09:44 AM
Didn't pre-order because I just fitted out a new Z2 ironically, I can only chip in a donation for prosperity. :(
Good luck with the last week, I hope it 'takes off'!!

Pushjerk
3rd April 2015, 02:01 PM
Servo question - Chris, you running similar servos in the Drak as you are in the Z3? I run HS225s in the Z3, can I expect to outfit Drak with the same?

ServoCity is having a nice little sale till the 8th, wanna jump on some servos ahora.

ritewing
3rd April 2015, 02:02 PM
Yes

Pushjerk
3rd April 2015, 02:04 PM
Word. Prompt reply appreciated!

Hobaoe
3rd April 2015, 02:07 PM
Chris

When the drak is ready, will you make a smaller version, say like 50inch??

ritewing
3rd April 2015, 06:36 PM
One at a time buddy, this one is twice the cost than the Z3 was to get going.
If all goes well we can do many things.

Hobaoe
3rd April 2015, 09:18 PM
i understand:D

another question, since i hate my skywalker x8 i just bought, im gonna make a wing that is very similar to your z2 design. so i can have something fun to fly til i get the drak.
i have a turnigy 3548-790kv motor and a 5300mah 4s batt swinging a 12x8 propp, would that work on a z2??

ritewing
3rd April 2015, 09:19 PM
On 5s it mite, kv is too low for 4s

Hobaoe
3rd April 2015, 09:23 PM
so around 1200kv then?

ritewing
3rd April 2015, 09:23 PM
Yes on 4s

Hobaoe
3rd April 2015, 09:24 PM
ok, thanks

Aose
3rd April 2015, 09:30 PM
Keep on keepin on. That's one sec see glider mate. If I was a few lifeforms different I'd date it

aaron_gx
4th April 2015, 10:44 AM
https://youtu.be/SSTd0bddxqM

aaron_gx
4th April 2015, 10:45 AM
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aaron_gx
4th April 2015, 10:47 AM
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aaron_gx
4th April 2015, 10:48 AM
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ritewing
4th April 2015, 11:44 AM
Pretty awesome bro.