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mmarkcooper
30th October 2014, 02:10 AM
Stock settings of the new starlight night camera model number cc1564
starlight night fpv camera: http://youtu.be/yUBHiYbfX_E

SurveilZone
31st October 2014, 10:25 AM
Stock settings of the new starlight night camera model number cc1564
starlight night fpv camera: http://youtu.be/yUBHiYbfX_E

There are two lenses included with the camera cc1564 (http://www.surveilzone.com/0.00008lux-star-super-low-light-800tvl-1-2-cmos-wdr-fpv-camera-cc1564). Default lens is IR blocked, suitable for day use. And you can change to the other lens which is IR sensitive at night to get better image.

mmarkcooper
31st October 2014, 11:12 AM
I was tired that night and used the alternative day lense folks I'll change it to the included night time lense I expect it will be even better than the footage I did above I'll do a comparison video showing the HD recorded footage and the footage from the starlight . my bad

HugeOne
31st October 2014, 10:35 PM
I just ordered it also, gonna try it on my headlight birds.

-Hugo

mmarkcooper
1st November 2014, 01:43 PM
daytime footage of the camera brief test as time and winds were against me it was more than flyable in the daytime tbh very very happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcpRxkgwO60

mmarkcooper
1st November 2014, 01:44 PM
I just ordered it also, gonna try it on my headlight birds.

-Hugo

you will not believe your eyes hugo pick your darkest area, and power this baby up its like the lights have just been turned on lol

john snow
1st November 2014, 10:16 PM
That is a great video, waiting for your night fly video with IR sensitive lens.

StompAE86
2nd November 2014, 12:17 PM
Looks good when you do the night test can you please try it in color mode as well? I just killed my fav camera and cant buy it anymore and nothing works that great in color
Also whats the blue haze around the edge?

mmarkcooper
2nd November 2014, 04:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfeg-9U8wLo&list=UUsXUamuo2p3t_0oPBBBOKsQ

this flight was captured tonite raw overlayed onto hd footage for reference

daggad
5th November 2014, 03:48 PM
I have had this camera for a few days now. Done only night flying so far and it impresses in the performance !
In low light from houses and streetlights you can fly almost like daytime. But it really shines in very dark environments.
The only problem I have found so far is that the OSD will not lock it in color even if I have set it to do so. it tends to switch to black and white anyway. But maybe slower.
I am also sure that I have not found the optimal settings yet.
It is delivered with both a IR block lens and one without IR filter. But the difference in low light is noticeable but not great. They both do good.

And then some videos:

With IR block lens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43upSCf1lo&list=UUWeEHI3mx7PNh8E0S50DH1g

With no IR filter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKpd5a4KPA&list=UUWeEHI3mx7PNh8E0S50DH1g

No IR filter in pitch black conditions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpuCBKI56M&list=UUWeEHI3mx7PNh8E0S50DH1g

OSD walkthrough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm1VH7w26lI&list=UUWeEHI3mx7PNh8E0S50DH1g

mmarkcooper
6th November 2014, 03:17 AM
I've got one of those big lenses they do here going to try that tonite like you say there's more to do with the settings..

daggad
6th November 2014, 05:00 PM
Went flying again today and this camera really impresses !
I will let the videos speak for itself. The conditions are MUCH darker than they appear still the camera gives a flyable picture. Amazing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaCt6DoLh_s&list=UUWeEHI3mx7PNh8E0S50DH1g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR0sYW-XJr0&feature=youtu.be

mmarkcooper
6th November 2014, 05:35 PM
Its a belter that's for sure

StompAE86
6th November 2014, 06:09 PM
How much noise is there (the white dots) in pitch black areas? It seems over saturated to me could just be settings though I have one on the way... hoping for awesome

daggad
7th November 2014, 02:30 PM
How much noise is there (the white dots) in pitch black areas? It seems over saturated to me could just be settings though I have one on the way... hoping for awesome

There is a lot of noise in pitch black areas. And that is not strange at all unless you want a pitch black picture.. ;)
But it is flyable. You see on some of my videos that the picture gets really noisy and that is on this really black places. It is awesome that the camera can see as well as it does, but does not perform miracles either.

mmarkcooper
7th November 2014, 05:49 PM
can agree there to actually see in pitch black with this camera is great it may not be to everyone's taste but for the people in the northern parts dark nights etc its a great advantage..

StompAE86
8th November 2014, 01:36 AM
Well I only ask because my last cam had no noise in pitch black areas yet you coukd see everything...but they no longer make it
I even contacted the guy who has videos with it on youtube to see if I can buy his...so sad
Im still trying to rescue it...learning more about smd rework and components just for that haha...breaking it has ruined fpv for me
I have hope though this one looks pretty sweet

hover
10th November 2014, 07:12 AM
Has anyone already tried the starlight camera with a Low Illumination Camera Lens F1.2 4mm available from different vendors? Would this give better results or is the stock starlight lens already perfect? Thanks.
54115

mmarkcooper
10th November 2014, 07:17 AM
hi hover, I have mine setup currently as this now just waiting for the rain to stop and then can do some night tests with this lens initial tests showed a little bit of difference.

daggad
10th November 2014, 08:27 AM
On the little I tested with that lens I could not see any improvement. And I also could see the circle of the lens on the edges of the picture.
It did not show with you Mark ?

mmarkcooper
10th November 2014, 10:54 AM
On the little I tested with that lens I could not see any improvement. And I also could see the circle of the lens on the edges of the picture.
It did not show with you Mark ?
yes I got the edges of the lens in shot, too don't think its a worthy upgrade the lens tbh..

Maximus
19th November 2014, 06:26 AM
http://vimeo.com/112255341

This is my first test of the SurveilZone CC1564 Nightcam. I am very impressed with how well it handles low light! Especially as I had it set to colour mode. It should do even better in B/W mode (which I'll test in the next week or two).
Testing was done with the 4mm IR sensitive lens included with the cam. Because the camera sensor is 1/2", the 4mm lens FOV is similar to the FOV of a 2.8mm lens on a regular 1/3" sensor. There is also a 4mm IR blocked lens included, which you can use for daytime flying I suppose.
Flight was done at 9pm on an overcast night, with no moon visible.

As a comparison, here's a flight I did at the same location, same time, with a clear sky, using the CC1333 with F1.2 4mm low light lens:
www.vimeo.com/57728569

Here's another sample with the CC1333, using regular lens:
www.vimeo.com/95767555

The difference is obvious. The CC1564 is a nightcam winner! I'll be testing one on my SkyHunter soon.

john snow
19th November 2014, 09:09 AM
That is a great video

daggad
22nd November 2014, 05:41 PM
Great video Maximus !

A question on the side: What OSD is that ?

Maximus
24th November 2014, 12:33 PM
It's minimOSD flashed with MWOSD firmware, used together with Afromini32 FC.

StompAE86
27th November 2014, 08:46 AM
Hey maximus is that with stock settings? I just plugged mine in and had a look outside and even though its bright the noise/pixels/ghosting is terrible

Maximus
27th November 2014, 09:20 AM
I think I tweaked the settings a bit. If there was DNR (can't remember) then I would have made that zero. I'll check my settings and post them later. I'm hopefully doing night flight on the beach tonight with B/W mode. Yay!

StompAE86
27th November 2014, 09:35 AM
Cool yeah post up some footage im still using your 0420 settings which kick ass

rayonnair
6th January 2015, 11:34 AM
Any updates on settings, maximus? I tried to run mine as sensitive as I could on B&W and it was... uh... bright but very noisy. I actually wonder if sticking to colour mode may be better for proximity work, the noise is hard to work around.

Maximus
7th January 2015, 06:51 AM
Hi guys, sorry I haven't posted updated settings yet. I forgot about this and haven't had time to test other settings yet. I'll see when I can play with the settings. Also keep an eye on Bruce's (RCModelReviews) video feed for his take on the settings.

Edit: Bruce is reviewing the Effio-V, not this cam. Ignore last comment.

rayonnair
7th January 2015, 08:11 AM
No worries maximus, I'm just a lazy bugger who would rather copy settings, you know how it is :p. I'll keep an eye out on bruce's settings. I don't know what half of the menu items mean on this camera!

nd3
7th January 2015, 10:19 AM
Subscribed! :)

Maximus
7th January 2015, 10:22 AM
No worries maximus, I'm just a lazy bugger who would rather copy settings, you know how it is :p. I'll keep an eye out on bruce's settings. I don't know what half of the menu items mean on this camera!

Sorry I got confused with which thread I was in. Bruce is busy reviewing the Effio-V, not the night cam.

rayonnair
15th January 2015, 09:52 PM
Turns out there's not much you can change in the camera. I set the DNR to manual and turned it down, otherwise the input lag is too much. There is noticeable lag and noise at night.

I have 2x10W LEDs shining forward so I figured I'd use them and just force colour on the camera. Turned out pretty good. I think it's the best I can expect from this. I wish there were more settings to change.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmE1bAkDeT0

StompAE86
15th January 2015, 10:12 PM
Yup with the silly blue hue around the edge and blurry laggy sensor overall I found the camera to be pretty crap...In BW mode its ok if you want to fly in absolute darkness but if there is even a small amount of light the PZ cams look way better

rayonnair
15th January 2015, 10:27 PM
You can reduce much of the blurriness and lagginess by turning the DNR to manual and setting the value to zero. But then there's still the noise to deal with. If there were more settings we could turn more post processing off, get a less laggy picture.

Gonna do more tests during the day. I'm not overly concerned about having a beautiful image but from what little I've flown it doesn't do WDR very well in transitions between sun and shade.

I feel like it's definitely better at night than the usual PZ0420 and effio-v though.

john snow
16th January 2015, 11:50 PM
I agree with you, it is better than PZ Effio-V and any other cameras for night fly

walkeer
25th May 2015, 11:08 AM
Guys, does this camera have any noticable lag? Could you please do a test with some stopwatch on your pc screen and make some photos of the pc screen and some fast fpv screen showing the stopwatch? Many thanks

SurveilZone
25th May 2015, 12:24 PM
Guys, does this camera have any noticable lag? Could you please do a test with some stopwatch on your pc screen and make some photos of the pc screen and some fast fpv screen showing the stopwatch? Many thanks

No lag for this camera. By now, only effio-v has lag.

rayonnair
25th May 2015, 12:28 PM
Unfortunately, that's not been my experience. This camera has a noticeable amount of lag in the dark, when all the post-processing kicks in to "clean up" the image to make it more palatable. I switched everything to off or as low as I could, and there was still enough lag that fast night flying was not an option. Unfortunately there aren't many options to tinker with. It IS really bright at night, though. So you can do slow stuff just fine.

During the day it's fine, your regular funny coloured IR-sensitive CCD.

If anyone has settings I can use for night time use that doesn't lag, I'm all ears.

walkeer
25th May 2015, 02:23 PM
Unfortunately, that's not been my experience. This camera has a noticeable amount of lag in the dark, when all the post-processing kicks in to "clean up" the image to make it more palatable. I switched everything to off or as low as I could, and there was still enough lag that fast night flying was not an option. Unfortunately there aren't many options to tinker with. It IS really bright at night, though. So you can do slow stuff just fine.

During the day it's fine, your regular funny coloured IR-sensitive CCD.

If anyone has settings I can use for night time use that doesn't lag, I'm all ears.
By CCD you mean CMOS right?

1) How does the picture during daylight looks like? It is better than 600TVL Super HAD II cam used by almost all FVP racers?

2) Durugin night, is it really lag or is it just long shutter times which makes it feel slow? If it is the latter, there is probably no way around that I am afraid as the shuuter must be slow to catch enough light.

rayonnair
25th May 2015, 10:25 PM
Oh, I didn't realize it was a CMOS camera! Thanks for pointing that out.

During daylight it's OK, if you can get past the colour. I notice also that, for some reason or other, chasing other planes / minis is easier, because I can see them clearer, whether against the sky or against some other background. I couldn't tell you why it's like this, something about it visually just pops. I wouldn't say it's better than the 600TVL during the day, but it's different.

I'm not sure how to differentiate lag and long shutter times, so I'll just describe what I see. If I turn up the post processing (like noise reduction), there is a delay between my input and what appears in FPV. It is also a very smeared moving image, edges and everything become spread out like jam on toast. It looks fine if you're staying still. If I turn down the post processing to as little as I can, both the delay in input and visual feedback, and the smearing, reduce. However, there is still enough "delay" that I need to fly slowly. I cannot fly proximity fast with it.

I think if you're doing plane work it will be fine. It looks really nice at night. Here is a DVR recording at night:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmE1bAkDeT0

And here is the same area as viewed through a mobius with low light mode enabled:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VvXZYvzxWI

EDIT: I forgot to add, my night flyer has 2x 10W LEDs pointed forward. They're COB LEDs but I didn't put any diffuser / focuser on them so they're just balls of light in front of the hex. I can pump more power through them and make them super bright but the heatsinks I have are inadequate to the task lol.

walkeer
26th May 2015, 02:54 PM
Thanks for nice videos! Could you please record some from daylight? I am not able to find any single one daylight video from this camera, would be highly appreciated!

rayonnair
26th May 2015, 11:00 PM
I'll try, might be a while, maybe this weekend if I have time!

walkeer
27th May 2015, 03:40 PM
I'll try, might be a while, maybe this weekend if I have time!
That would be perfect, I am particularly interested in how does it handle direct sun

john snow
30th May 2015, 12:23 AM
It has Super WDR func, so handle sun is not a problem

rayonnair
10th June 2015, 07:39 AM
That would be perfect, I am particularly interested in how does it handle direct sun


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJrU6z6ghhQ

walkeer
12th June 2015, 10:33 AM
Many thanks! It looks like it has really huge dynamic range, the resolution also looks very good and with its larger sensor size it could have lower barrel distortion as you can use less wide lens which could be very useful in proximity flying.

icahone
10th November 2015, 10:39 AM
Hi, I just purchased this cam. Can anyone confirm that it works with 4s (16.8V) ?
On the webpage it is stated there that the cam can operate till 18V...

SurveilZone
10th November 2015, 01:47 PM
This camera work from DC8V~DC18, So 4S is no problems

icahone
11th November 2015, 08:31 AM
Thanks, I shall try. For now I used a 3s LiPo for the first tests.

Until the first real flight, I am posting the test video on ground. It was taken by night, the only (weak) light source was the lamp on the street.
At 0:40 I switched on the infrared illuminator.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4BwxnMj0yk

StompAE86
12th November 2015, 12:12 PM
Can you post your settings please

icahone
13th November 2015, 04:40 AM
Do you mean the camera settings? The only thing I changed in the OSD was to set the camera to B/W mode.

In the meantime I run the cam from 4s LiPo and I confirm that it works fine.
Anyhow I did an airborne test yesterday, and that time I set the camera to color mode.
However, it seemed to me that the sensitivity of the fpv cam was not as good as in B/W mode.
Is it possible that the sensitivity is different when the cam is set to color or B/W mode (as usual with another cameras)?

The extra illumination is still not enough for proximity flying, I guess...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivIkPVx2G0

icahone
13th November 2015, 11:35 AM
@SurveilZone: can you please tell me what is that glass right glued on the sensor of the camera? Is it needed there? If so, why?