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Dust
15th October 2013, 12:53 AM
Duuude!
Way to go!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O_pbKjoQZw
your famous now.

MatCat
15th October 2013, 01:18 AM
Just watched it!

chicken sashimi
15th October 2013, 01:25 AM
Hey Hey! Great stuff! The shirts look great on those guys.. and a gun strapped to an RC plane? Couldn't really ask for a better episode than that to be featured in.

I gotta get better at naming my business though.. lol.
ChickenSashimi... *shakes head* CSFPV for the win!!

Gawlerj
15th October 2013, 01:54 AM
Haha! Looks like fun. Too bad Trappy didn't have this back in 2010! Towards the end of the video you can almost hear the FAA/AMA black helos coming in with squads of regulation police ready to impose sternly worded letters and cross looks at this next level in "you're-gonna-ruin-it-for-everone" rants.

Naamis
15th October 2013, 05:11 AM
Looking at it as I type. Cool to see that shirt. FT Famous indeed. Still need to get my FPV shirts from Mr. Sashimi.

Flying Monkey
15th October 2013, 06:42 AM
Ohhh.... is THAT how you pronounce sashimi??? lol!

Dust
16th October 2013, 02:35 PM
I personally am against the arming of RC stuff even it was a "toy" gun.
I voiced my disapproval about that on the youtube video page, and i got slaughterd!

apperently saying "putting a gun on a RC plane isnt going to bring any good, people are stupid and wont approach this with the same mind set as you do" was enough to be crucified and have my posts hidden due to too many negitive votes.
Monkey see monkey do was just too much for youtube.

MatCat
16th October 2013, 02:41 PM
I personally am against the arming of RC stuff even it was a "toy" gun.
I voiced my disapproval about that on the youtube video page, and i got slaughterd!

apperently saying "putting a gun on a RC plane isnt going to bring any good, people are stupid and wont approach this with the same mind set as you do" was enough to be crucified and have my posts hidden due to too many negitive votes.
Monkey see monkey do was just too much for youtube.
Let's be sensible, it's a piece of blue plastic that shoots little pieces of plastic at speeds that wouldn't even hurt if it hit square in the center of your eye, it's not a paintball gun, it's not a pellet gun, it's not a real gun. It's not really a problem with maybe exception to your personal beliefs which in this case don't really fit the majority.

Carbon
16th October 2013, 02:46 PM
One of those BBs in your eye would make for a bad day. They were wearing safety glasses though I guess.
Funny thing is, these guys are way behind the times :D I've been doing stupid stuff like this for a long time. It helps to have a flying area in the middle of nowhere that is situated close to and Indian reservation. Firecrackers, Roman candles, ect. You will never find anything on YouTube though!

MatCat
16th October 2013, 03:13 PM
One of those BBs in your eye would make for a bad day. They were wearing safety glasses though I guess.
Funny thing is, these guys are way behind the times :D I've been doing stupid stuff like this for a long time. It helps to have a flying area in the middle of nowhere that is situated close to and Indian reservation. Firecrackers, Roman candles, ect. You will never find anything on YouTube though!
An old friends kids had what appears to pretty much be the same exact model, which I have been shot in the eye with, yeah it would suck if it got STUCK, but otherwise it's no different then accidentally poking yourself with your finger. Too many people today are afraid of too many things, it's quite sad really, I know someone who's parents wont even let their 16 year old walk 4 blocks down the neighborhood without an adult (and it's not like they live in the city either, talking about a little neighborhood in the middle of nowhere).

chicken sashimi
16th October 2013, 03:34 PM
I personally am against the arming of RC stuff even it was a "toy" gun.
I voiced my disapproval about that on the youtube video page, and i got slaughterd!

apperently saying "putting a gun on a RC plane isnt going to bring any good, people are stupid and wont approach this with the same mind set as you do" was enough to be crucified and have my posts hidden due to too many negitive votes.
Monkey see monkey do was just too much for youtube.

Ya gotta see the funny in it though Dust.. seriously.. FPV gets persecuted by people every day. The have the same "You're gonna kill someone.. you're gonna encourage someone to do something stupid/dangerous" mentality that you've been exhibiting in regards to guns-on-a-plane. If you stand by FPV free flight and you believe that your fellow FPV pilots can police themselves and act responsibly, why can't you do the same with regards to guns-on-a-plane. Honestly.. WHAT is so different between this and FPV?

Snoopy
16th October 2013, 03:43 PM
I thought it was a really cool episode and great to see some CS love! Dude you got a lot of name mentions thanks to the difficulty in pronouncing it. I'd stick with it ;)

I honestly did think it was not kosher to put any kind of projectile mechanism on a vehicle so I was surprised but happy to get to watch it. I understand the harmlessness of their setup but uptights aren't known for recognizing the spirit of a law. Then again, I was confused with the rules concerning covering KC lights on a truck's rollbar vs a brushguard back in the day.

Dust
16th October 2013, 05:43 PM
Ya gotta see the funny in it though Dust.. seriously.. FPV gets persecuted by people every day. The have the same "You're gonna kill someone.. you're gonna encourage someone to do something stupid/dangerous" mentality that you've been exhibiting in regards to guns-on-a-plane. If you stand by FPV free flight and you believe that your fellow FPV pilots can police themselves and act responsibly, why can't you do the same with regards to guns-on-a-plane. Honestly.. WHAT is so different between this and FPV?

Simple answer, the difference is projectiles.

Not-so-simple answer:
Yes i know its a toy. Im not worried about the exact type of gun, what exact type of ammo, and what ever (which is about the only defense ive heard, is the argument of they type of weapon used), its the idea. Ideas are harmless. Ideas cannot hurt people. Stupid people making stupid decisions hurt people.
Like fake candy cigarettes. There is no good that comes from it. Even though "its JUST candy"people are grossly influenced by others and usually have NO clue just how mych they do stuff cause "they saw someone else do it"
Read the comments there. Look at the guys (joking or not) talking about putting .22's or other NOT toys.
I dont get why Im so in the wrong here.

Im 30 years old. Ive been living on the road for many MANY years making laps and laps around the USA. I have experienced 2 lifetimes in the first quarter of this one. I dont watch TV, havent had cable since 2001 and have and read more books than most would believe.
My fears on this paticular subject are not unfounded.
Im not crying chiken little here.

Im saying that the idea of ARMING RC things is reckless and irresponsible and 100% damages what were are desperately trying to protect here!

you want this whole thing to get shut down? Of course not (rhetorical question), but idiots will see this, and emulate it with what ever they got laying around...

Video piloting and weaponizing toys are 2 very different things, hardly comparable.

chicken sashimi
16th October 2013, 05:56 PM
Ummm.. I hate to break it to you.. but the Radian you fly FPV beyond line of sight is technically a projectile in itself.
Everything we fly is a projectile.. lol.

No one is calling your character into question, so there's little need to tell us how traveled and intellectual you are or whether or not you watch TV.. I don't see those statements re-enforcing any of your arguments.

Everything you say about idiots emulating what they see can be said just as much regarding deep-urban flights like Trappy does or long-range attempts where failure could mean crashing into someone's house/car.

I guess what's so baffling to me is to see someone like yourself who proudly flies FPV, a hobby that gets persecuted for it's inherent danger (a danger which an EXPERIENCED FPV pilot knows how to manage and mitigate) then turn around and persecute someone who puts a toy gun on an aircraft of their own. Do you not trust that someone who puts an airsoft gun on an RC airplane can mitigate hazards just as much as you mitigate the hazards associated with your hobby? Why is one more at fault than another?

When people tell you FPV is unsafe and should not be glamorized and that FPV will ruin the hobby for everyone, how do you respond? I'm honestly curious about this because I expect that your response will probably echo much of what I've said about guns-on-a-plane.

Great discussion though. fun topic :)

Dust
16th October 2013, 06:14 PM
No persecution, Just think that its just not a good idea. That all.

i know it all about how something is used. a hammer can build a house, or break one down. a pencil or fork can be lethal.

and as i wrote on thie comment page, this was the first time i have ever got that feeling in my mind that has been slung my way so many times. The "your gonna ruin it" Its not a mentality, its a thought that surprizingly ran throug my head as i watched these highly influential RC figures show that. I know David used hydrogen ballons and roman candles on rc tanks and tri's.

Im not hating, i love FT. and of course i love RC, and even YOU Mr Sashimi.

And when people say stuff like that to me about FPV, i never take it seriously, it actually makes me smile, cause all pioneers are considered crazy and reckless at some time. I tell them that fear is a natural and initial response we have when we encounter something we dont understand. And face it, there alot of scary looking stuff going on with FPV. However, That can be remedied by learning whats going on, aasking questions, and finding out for ones self to get to that "ah-ha" moment when it makes sense to them and it clicks and the fear is dispelled.

thats what this is all about, if i had to guess, not freedoms, not laws, but fear.

I have alot of faith in the FPV community and most all here.
I have much much less when taking into account the audience of youtube.

Ive never been a gun fan, though im proficient in most aspects of them. Raised with them, and spent countless hours at the range growing up. But it never stuck into my adult life where I developed different ideas about guns,hunting,etc. So thats prolly why im quick to shut down a convo that tries to start at my work (LHS) talking about putting any type of weapon on a plane. They may be joking, but i have a hard time entertaining the idea and quickly divert the topic to something else.

Funny aslso, cause i posted this the second i saw your shirts on them, before i saw what the episode was even about. LOL

agreed, good discussion, but i am surprized by the lack of others who may share similar sentiment.

MatCat
16th October 2013, 06:16 PM
That is really where it falls, give the human race credit that it's smarter then that. It's a lot akin to saying video games make people violent, even though there is no proof or evidence to support such claims. Sticking a toy gun on a plane is pretty similar in idea really. Yeah you are going to get morons that talk, and a lot of people talk, very few people do the many things they talk about, and those that do quickly feel the consequences of their stupid actions. I think most people will look at this subject in that way, in that everything involved is pretty harmless.

If your view is because you really disdain guns and their existence and anything that portrays them then you would have to take a seat back and realize it's a personal view that a lot do not share, especially when the subject is a toy actually made for children to begin with, because most are not going to see it in that fashion, the are just going to see it as a harmless toy, not an endorsement of death.

How many people really love warbirds? They are airplanes made solely for the purpose of war, yet they are some of the most favored RC models, yet no one complains about how the love of a war machine propagates war, just as much as very few are going to say a toy gun is going to propagate real mishandling of a gun.

I hope I made my point as clear as possible :).

chicken sashimi
16th October 2013, 06:20 PM
That's some well rounded comments MatCat.. I wholeheartedly agree!

chicken sashimi
16th October 2013, 06:28 PM
I tell them that fear is a natural and initial response we have when we encounter something we don't understand. And face it, there alot of scary looking stuff going on with FPV. However, That can be remedied by learning whats going on, aasking questions, and finding out for ones self to get to that "ah-ha" moment when it makes sense to them and it clicks and the fear is dispelled.

So there you have it.

If your reaction is fear that people are going to put actual guns on RC aircraft.. you can educate yourself... it won't take you long on youtube before you have your own "aha moment" and realize people have already been doing this for a LONG time, long before FliteTest came along. Then you'll continue your research and see that although the AMA has had anti-weaponization regulations in place for a LONG time now already, very few instances of crime or injury have happened as a result of this kind of behavior because it's not really a common practice... besides the fact that most people already know perfectly well that if they wanted to strap a gun to an rc airplane, they could easily enough. It's certainly nothing new.. and it's certainly not a popular practice so I think the fear is misplaced.

If the act of people strapping guns to rc aircraft was going to "ruin the hobby for everyone", the hobby would already be ruined and we'd all be twiddling our thumbs instead of soaring magestically through the current RC Aviation renaissance. :)

powdermnky007
16th October 2013, 06:47 PM
yattitfdr

'yet another thread turned in to fpv danger rant'
still easier to say than sashimi :)
new name 'horse head sushi' ?

chicken sashimi
16th October 2013, 06:49 PM
SEE ess EFF PEE veee!!

Dust
16th October 2013, 06:58 PM
I should give the human race more credit.
99% of what we worry about never comes to be. Wasted energy.

Ialso, i dont have a distain for gun, I just personally dont use them. To each their own. My family is hunters, I just chose not to be. No judgment, just lack of understanding and lack of desire to learn more about them.

Ill quietly withdraw here, this was never supposed to be a rant about danger. This was ONLY to make you (CS) feel good by sharing the mass exposure that FT brings. This thread was supposed to be an online high five. So ill leave it at that.

/high five

simpsonj
16th October 2013, 07:50 PM
Reading a thread like this reaffirms why I like it here so much and infrequently visit RCG. Group hug everyone!

Carbon
16th October 2013, 07:52 PM
Eh, everyone is so sheltered these days. Ride the bus with me some time. You're guaranteed to meet a couple of crack addicts and felons. Last week a guy was riding with a Barret tucked into his jeans...with the safety off. Probably shot his own dick off..

simpsonj
16th October 2013, 08:11 PM
Eh, everyone is so sheltered these days. Ride the bus with me some time. You're guaranteed to meet a couple of crack addicts and felons. Last week a guy was riding with a Barret tucked into his jeans...with the safety off. Probably shot his own dick off..

Join the group carbon









And bring yo mom

Carbon
16th October 2013, 08:14 PM
You shot your dick off? My mom probably wouldn't be interested then..

BrittMac
16th October 2013, 11:38 PM
Eh, everyone is so sheltered these days. Ride the bus with me some time. You're guaranteed to meet a couple of crack addicts and felons. Last week a guy was riding with a Barret tucked into his jeans...with the safety off. Probably shot his own dick off..

A Barrett? As in a .50cal? Or something else? Just asking because the .50cal wouldn't fit in Shaq's jeans or two of Shaq's jeans.


On a "serious" note. If you put an airsoft "gun" (bullsh!t term, sorry) on anything and shot it at someones face, you should be prepared to take a faceful of something yourself. An airsoft pellet can or WILL eff up your eye. If the airsoft pellet is fired from a higher altitude and slows down, then it may not be such a problem though. If some dbag mounts it on an r/c plane and fires while diving on people, then it can easily hurt someone.
Stupid as it sounds, there is a difference. I DO NOT think the Flitetest guys were causing harm or endangering others in their actions. Other people can. Other people can also not service their vehicle properly and cause me to choke on the exhaust.... Lots of ifs here.

chicken sashimi
16th October 2013, 11:41 PM
One thing is for sure... that Chicken Sashimi guy is ruining the hobby for everyone.

Carbon
16th October 2013, 11:44 PM
A Barrett? As in a .50cal? Or something else? Just asking because the .50cal wouldn't fit in Shaq's jeans or two of Shaq's jeans..
Typo, Beretta.

Gawlerj
17th October 2013, 01:08 AM
I can respect what Dust is saying, and I think he came around to making his point. I recall reading "rules" about what should not be done on an RC aircraft, something about never shooting something from it like fireworks, dropping things from it except certain allowable things, and the like. And I've seen all of this stuff done from videos at AMA sponsored events, to other reputable and semi reputable folks doing what would be considered reckless if posted on youtube by some shirtless dope smoking half drunk redneck swearing right wing Limbaugh supporting welfare getting gay bashing west borough baptist church attending canoodler.

It's neat to see what can be done with these things by the right people under the right circumstances. The clowns at FT did a good job of doing it right, I think. But doesn't mean we all should do it, or even support doing it.

/I use the term clowns with the utmost respect in this context.

WildWill
17th October 2013, 01:22 AM
Awesome episode to get on there Chicken! That was awesome all the way around. :)

And yepp, I'd love to try that but I think there are better ways. I really like the way the dogfight module works in the HZ Super Cub. If you are hit your motor shuts down but you can dead stick it. The motor dies for a couple seconds and then regains. Pretty sure the whole thing works on infrared.

BrittMac
17th October 2013, 01:22 AM
Typo, Beretta.

Thank God, because I was thinking THAT GUY HAS SOME HUGE PANTS!

He he.

John, don't be jealous. The FT guys are doing what me and you both want to, but can't afford to ;) . At least until next payday, or the one after that.

IBCrazy
17th October 2013, 09:19 AM
I always wanted to arm some slowsticks and put thin paper wings on them. Shoot to the death. The problem I had was that you really have no control of where the projectile goes after it is fired. Flite Test has a big field in the middle of nowhere, so other than their one grumpy neighbor down the road, nobody is around to care. For me, I only have parks and public property... not exactly the place for a gun fight...

David brought an interesting point about shooting backward, but missed the physics:

Shooting backward results in a significantly reduced velocity of the projectile - with respect to Earth and the ground.

With both planes moving at the same speed the projectile hits the second airplane as if both were standing still.

I don't know how many of you know about it, but I have a DIY infra-red combat system posted here on FPVLAB. It was the very first thread I made here. If anyone wants to try it, I can modify the schematic to flash your video on and off rather than shut down your motor ;)

-Alex

Zatoichi
19th October 2013, 04:54 PM
I always wanted to arm some slowsticks and put thin paper wings on them. Shoot to the death. The problem I had was that you really have no control of where the projectile goes after it is fired. Flite Test has a big field in the middle of nowhere, so other than their one grumpy neighbor down the road, nobody is around to care. For me, I only have parks and public property... not exactly the place for a gun fight...

David brought an interesting point about shooting backward, but missed the physics:

Shooting backward results in a significantly reduced velocity of the projectile - with respect to Earth and the ground.

With both planes moving at the same speed the projectile hits the second airplane as if both were standing still.

I don't know how many of you know about it, but I have a DIY infra-red combat system posted here on FPVLAB. It was the very first thread I made here. If anyone wants to try it, I can modify the schematic to flash your video on and off rather than shut down your motor ;)

-Alex
Man this would be really cool!

chicken sashimi
19th October 2013, 05:32 PM
Yeah that sounds great for warbird dogfights.

K9rc
21st March 2014, 03:25 AM
love that shirt