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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveWorkings View Post
    I think there are a lot of ways this could be done. I envision the researchers on a boat (or 12) ready to net a couple dolphins. Because the boats may go many miles from their launch site, I envision the plane launching (and landing) from one of the boats. Pontoons may be a really good idea here.
    OK, that gives us quite a bit to work on, and allows me to make some suggestions. We have launched from moving boats, and were slated to fly for scientist in Patagonia spotting (and identifying) whales in the Roaring 40's region so that gives you an idea of what we were prepared for. We came up with a waterproof wing that would have the capability to take off from the boat and then land in the water for retrieval.

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    From a practical standpoint, there's no use in flying the plane more than maybe 1/2 mile or mile from the boats. It seems to me that the goal here is to provide more / wider / faster coverage.
    If that is the case, you don't even need an autopilot, which greatly reduces your cost. You can easily fly an aircraft like the Spectra from 1/2 mile away. I would recommend getting an IMU stabilization system to ease the pilot workload. If you could go a full auto system, the AP can be had for as little as $1800.

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    The video feed would need to be live to an expert on the boat who can help make a decision about whether to follow and investigate what the plane finds.
    That really is no problem as people have been doing that for some time now. The only thing you might run into is a resolution issue. Most cheaper camera systems are fixed focal length and don't have zoom capabilities. You can get them, but like anything else, you pay more for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveWorkings View Post
    FPV flying is not my hobby so I may be dreaming here, but among the things I think I've seen is an operator with the FPV equipment, and a second video feed on a laptop or iPad. This gives the operator all the control he needs, but a view for the researchers to work with the operator.
    It's not a hobby with us either, we do it for a living! This is very easy to do as well. It would be just as easy to get a larger monitor and run a feed to it. If you need to record the video, then a laptop is a viable solution. There may be some Ipad solutions out there but I've never flown any of them (yet!).

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    Visual location and identification then might be a short answer to your question. Most researchers can readily identify and recognize different dolphins the same way you and I can tell the difference between dogs from 100 yards, and they'll often know right away that they do or do not want to pursue a particular animal.
    Yep, familiar with that one too. The whale guys could look at the barnacles and varicocele on the whales head and call them by name!

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveWorkings View Post
    A bonus later on would include GPS coordinates to help boats locate what the plane sees, but not critical by any means.
    This would likely come standard on a stabilization system. It would overlay on the video signal and be reported real time on the screen.

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    Does that give you a better feel? This is just speculative now so there are a lot of variations that could work. But I do believe that the right researchers in the right places are ready to try this, and I think we can push this along to make a big difference.
    This looks like something you could get covered with a grant. We have a grantswriter available to us and could possibly assist in that area. When you consider that you can get a nearly complete unmanned airframe for one full scale flight hour, the economy begins to mount up when you fly several missions whenever and where ever you want. A few more rental hours and you could have a fully autonomous system. Sensors (cameras) are where you could spend lots of money. Better resolution, optics, capabilities etc. However, if a simple analog video camera will give you enough data then why spend the money?

    As a side bar to the full scale aviation comment. They whale researchers were flying in Porter Pilatus aircraft and were very near to shore as well. They had to fly low to gather their I.D. info on the whales and unfortunately, that's when most mistakes turn deadly. They had lost three good whale biologist in the past 5 years to aircraft crashes in the water.

    Gene
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    CenTexFlyer....are you offering your "help" or "services"?

    This sound like a sales pitch to me. $1800 for auto pilot?

    Back on topic....

    I would be interested in "helping" out....but landing on a boat probably isnt a trivial task.

    My better judgement says I would need some kind of insurance policy for something like this.

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    hehehe..... kinda sounds like that doesn't it? I don't make autopilots though. I can, however, provide complete systems. I can't provide complete systems for free. Spent a few years doing freebies and it's amazing how many people will let you "help" them.... over and over and over again.

    Yes, $1800. There is a very nice 6DOF fully autonomous autopilot from Robota US for that price. I have seen it in action and it is a very capable system. Or, you could go with the AttoPilot from Attopilot Int'l at $3500 - it has more capabilities in programming and has lots of features. Or you could just go with a CloudCap autopilot system for about $15,000. I was just trying to indicate that there are choices and options for control and telemetry.

    If you'll notice, I said "Launch from boat with a water retrieval". Removes the risk of trying to land on a 16' - 20' runway Just let it flop in the water, motor over, and fish it out of the drink. Of course, you would need a completely waterproof aircraft. Which we do have some familiarity with.

    Sales pitch? Nahhh. I give advice all the time based on my own experiences in the field......

    Gene
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    Can't tell you how much I appreciate the thought, time, attention and ideas here.

    I'd like to push this to reality. Ideally, we're looking for someone who is ready to come demonstrate and test this. Ft. Pierce, FL is a likely proving ground. I can't guarantee it, but may be able to at least get expenses paid.

    It may be possible to arrange "just a test" session but it may also come soon that there's another dolphin that needs to be found and rescued and that always happens on very very short notice -- basically these guys are the ambulance crew.

    CenTexFlyer - I'm guessing you're in Texas? which probably means I'm looking for someone more local.

    Greg - are you nearby? Re: insurance, any demo is probably going to be just that, but longer-term I'm betting a contract that accommodates insurance could certainly be on the table. I'm not one of the contracting parties here so can't speak for anyone else -- just an observer trying to get the right people together to make a difference.

    Viper - nice idea and I'll mention it when I get the chance.

    I'd like to have a chat, make arrangements and make this a reality. My email is steve@workings.com, and I'd be glad to call anyone seriously interested in this.

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    You need a plane like this:
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1563599

    Not sure if he would build one for you but maybe he would share plans...
    Tractors are where it's at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BloomingtonFPV View Post
    You need a plane like this:
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1563599

    Not sure if he would build one for you but maybe he would share plans...
    I don't believe this would be a good airframe in a high wind situation.

    Thought about you guys this morning as we crossed the Aransas Pass channel on the ferry. Dolphins playing in and around the ferries all over the place. Really cool. Steve, as I mentioned, I think this is project could be funded with a grant. I would look into that as soon as possible. I'm sure there are several benefactors/organizations there in Florida that would fund those sorts of efforts. Then it wouldn't matter where the expertise came from. You just go get it and find out what it takes to get them there.

    Gene

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