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    Thanks... I just logged in and canceled it as well. They asked for a reason, so I said something to the effect that "Court has ruled that FAA violated the law by requiring this registration."


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    I just remembered I forgot to cross-post this here from the UAS legal discussion Facebook group I originally posted it to. This is very important for everyone here to know as well.

    With the ruling in the Taylor case (which I will call Taylor-1) striking down the FAA's registration rule for model aircraft hobbyists, the legal landscape for model aircraft is poised to change dramatically. Somehow I did not realize until recently that John Taylor has a second case pending before the same court (which I will call Taylor-2), challenging all of Part 101 and the FAA's position that model aircraft are legally considered aircraft.


    That case just finished the briefing stage, and will soon be set for oral argument (assuming the court doesn't dismiss it on standing, which is an argument the FAA has made, though in my opinion, weakly). Here are the main briefs that we care about (the case has been consolidated with EPIC's ridiculous attempt to challenge Part 107 because it didn't include privacy rules, which I don't see going anywhere):


    Taylor's Brief:

    http://bit.ly/2lhtjwQ

    The FAA's Brief:
    http://bit.ly/2qgooAl

    Taylor's Reply Brief:

    http://bit.ly/2qeYVHo


    It's important to consider the possible ramifications of this second Taylor case, as the first one will serve as an important precedent that I think makes it likely that Part 101 will likewise be invalidated.

    My personal opinion is that should Taylor win this case too, it might leave model aircraft hobbyists in the best of both worlds. Our models will be non-aircraft flying devices that operate in the federal airspace (and therefore are under the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government) similar to ultralights, but will not be regulated by any FAA regulations except perhaps a general prohibition on "endangering the national airspace".

    The FAA will still have the legal authority to enact specific regulations regarding recreational model aircraft activities that fall outside the Sec. 336 safe-harbor, but until it does so those activities will not be prohibited, either by the application of general civil aviation regulations or Part 107. This includes BVLOS FPV.

    Meanwhile, because the national airspace is still under federal jurisdiction and some modeling activities are still subject to potential FAA regulation, federal preemption would still apply and state and local governments would not have the authority to regulate model aircraft. Model aircraft activities that fall squarely under Sec. 336 could not be restricted by anyone.

    As I've said for a while, our best bet to is continue to play the feds and the states against each other, until we end up in a legal no-mans land where *no-one* may regulate us. That bright future now appears to have a real possibility of coming true.
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    Been away for a while, well exactly when they enacted this B's law, so glad to see the courts did the right thing!

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    You can now delete your registration and get a refund, if you paid the $5 for the registration.

    https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_star...tion_deletion/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Echo View Post
    You can now delete your registration and get a refund, if you paid the $5 for the registration.

    https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_star...tion_deletion/
    I wouldn't spend that $5 too quickly, Congress already has a bill drafted that will require the FAA to register drones.
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    This Congress is going nowhere so we have some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j5coat View Post
    This Congress is going nowhere so we have some time.

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    It is being included as part of the FAA's refunding for 2018, so it may happen a whole lot faster than you can imagine.
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    There is a lot more involved than registration including allowing local governments to completely ban flying if so desired. Like it or not the only organization big enough to fight this is the AMA. Here is link to Gov. Relations section:
    http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...-june-29-2017/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Echo View Post
    You can now delete your registration and get a refund, if you paid the $5 for the registration.

    https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_star...tion_deletion/
    Be very careful... obtaining your refund requires you to enter into a civil contract that you agree to "always" fly under the provisions of 336. Jonathan Ruprecht (spelling?) who assisted John Taylor win his case against the FAA has warned about this and says that he doesn't think it's worth such a commitment for $5.

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