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    Iowa Drone Legislation

    Anyone in Iowa a part of this opposition to the recent Iowa legislation?
    http://www.omaha.com/article/2014021...140219857/1707

    http://nodronesiowa.blogspot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliDave View Post
    Anyone in Iowa a part of this opposition to the recent Iowa legislation?
    It only effects law enforcement operation of UAV's, is there anything in particular you want to know about it?

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    I just saw that there were hobbyists involved as they listed in the top article:

    "Several hobbyists who fly small aircraft controlled from the ground told lawmakers they worry that the legislation would needlessly limit their pastime. They urged lawmakers to separate recreational users from restrictions imposed on others."

    I haven't read the full bill yet, but that caught my attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliDave View Post
    I just saw that there were hobbyists involved as they listed in the top article:

    "Several hobbyists who fly small aircraft controlled from the ground told lawmakers they worry that the legislation would needlessly limit their pastime. They urged lawmakers to separate recreational users from restrictions imposed on others."

    I haven't read the full bill yet, but that caught my attention.
    Well there are three of them pending all for the most part are worded the same.

    HF410
    http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/linc/8...Introduced.pdf
    HF427
    http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/linc/8...Introduced.pdf
    SF276
    http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/linc/8...Introduced.pdf

    Lobbyist's are

    HF410
    HF 410
    A bill for an act relating to the use of an unmanned aircraft
    system by a state or local law enforcement agency.


    Rita Bettis
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) MARCH 10, 2013 16:51:10

    Amber Markham *(Governor's office)
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Public Safety MARCH 7, 2013 14:22:57

    Mikel Derby *(Governor's office)
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Transportation MARCH 6, 2013 17:57:49

    Robert Ussery
    For IA. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps MARCH 5, 2013 23:03:58

    James Obradovich
    Undecided IA. Public Airports Assn. MARCH 5, 2013 21:13:55

    Gary Grant
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) MARCH 5, 2013 11:23:01

    Larry Murphy
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) MARCH 5, 2013 11:23:01

    James Obradovich
    Undecided IA. Public Airports Assn. MARCH 4, 2013 21:47:06

    Marty Ryan
    For Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. MARCH 4, 2013 19:44:33

    Stephanie Fawkes-Lee
    For Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. MARCH 4, 2013 19:44:33

    John Benson *(Governor's office)
    Undecided IA. Homeland Security & Emergency Management Div. MARCH 4, 2013 16:17:16







    HF427
    HF 427
    A bill for an act relating to the use of drones, and providing
    penalties.


    Marc Beltrame
    Undecided Allied Insurance FEBRUARY 6, 2014 16:06:01
    Undecided Nationwide Agribusiness FEBRUARY 6, 2014 16:06:01
    Undecided Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co. FEBRUARY 6, 2014 16:06:01

    Matthew McKinney
    Undecided Allied Insurance FEBRUARY 6, 2014 16:06:01
    Undecided Nationwide Agribusiness FEBRUARY 6, 2014 16:06:01
    Undecided Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co. FEBRUARY 6, 2014 16:06:01

    Hanna DeGroot
    Undecided IA. State Assn. of Counties FEBRUARY 6, 2014 08:40:28

    Jamie Cashman
    Undecided IA. State Assn. of Counties FEBRUARY 6, 2014 08:40:28

    Kristi Harshbarger
    Undecided IA. State Assn. of Counties FEBRUARY 6, 2014 08:40:28

    Lucas Beenken
    Undecided IA. State Assn. of Counties FEBRUARY 6, 2014 08:40:28

    William Peterson
    Undecided IA. State Assn. of Counties FEBRUARY 6, 2014 08:40:28

    Jill Altringer
    Undecided IA. Soybean Assn. FEBRUARY 3, 2014 12:27:53

    Justine Stevenson
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 14:11:45

    Kellie Paschke
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 14:11:45

    Lindsay Phillips
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 14:11:45

    Troy Skinner
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 14:11:45

    Kellie Paschke
    Against IA. Peace Officers Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 13:16:37

    Lindsay Phillips
    Against IA. Peace Officers Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 13:16:37

    Troy Skinner
    Against IA. Peace Officers Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 13:16:37

    Joe Kelly
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 11:16:03

    Kelly Meyers
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 11:16:03

    Susan Cameron
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. JANUARY 30, 2014 11:16:03

    Dustin Miller
    Undecided IA. League of Cities JANUARY 29, 2014 19:50:25

    Jessica Harder
    Undecided IA. League of Cities JANUARY 29, 2014 19:50:25

    Jill Altringer
    Undecided IA. Federation of Animal Owners JANUARY 29, 2014 11:35:05
    Undecided IA. Poultry Assn. JANUARY 29, 2014 11:35:05
    Undecided IA. Soybean Assn. JANUARY 29, 2014 11:35:05
    Undecided IA. Turkey Federation JANUARY 29, 2014 11:35:05

    Rita Bettis
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) JANUARY 22, 2014 10:23:29

    Michael Heller
    Against IA. State Police Assn. JANUARY 21, 2014 18:13:04

    Paula Feltner
    Against IA. State Police Assn. JANUARY 21, 2014 18:13:04

    Michael Heller
    Undecided IA. State Police Assn. JANUARY 18, 2014 12:52:31

    Paula Feltner
    Undecided IA. State Police Assn. JANUARY 18, 2014 12:52:31

    Latrice Lacey
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) JANUARY 15, 2014 20:03:45

    Gary Grant
    Against IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) JANUARY 14, 2014 12:35:46

    Larry Murphy
    Against IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) JANUARY 14, 2014 12:35:46

    Marty Ryan
    For Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. MARCH 10, 2013 19:44:52

    Stephanie Fawkes-Lee
    For Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. MARCH 10, 2013 19:44:52

    Amber Markham *(Governor's office)
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Public Safety MARCH 7, 2013 14:22:57

    Robert Ussery
    For IA. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps MARCH 6, 2013 20:16:15

    Mikel Derby *(Governor's office)
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Transportation MARCH 6, 2013 17:58:51

    Gary Grant
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) MARCH 6, 2013 13:43:13

    Larry Murphy
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) MARCH 6, 2013 13:43:13

    James Obradovich
    Undecided IA. Public Airports Assn. MARCH 5, 2013 21:13:14

    Rita Bettis
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) MARCH 5, 2013 19:34:44







    SF276
    SF 276
    A bill for an act relating to the use of an unmanned aircraft
    system by a state or local law enforcement agency.


    David Goodner
    Undecided IA. Citizens for Community Improvement Action Fund MARCH 5, 2013 21:55:40

    Michael Heller
    Undecided IA. State Police Assn. MARCH 4, 2013 21:12:05

    Paula Feltner
    Undecided IA. State Police Assn. MARCH 4, 2013 21:12:05

    Marty Ryan
    For Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. MARCH 3, 2013 19:47:09

    Stephanie Fawkes-Lee
    For Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. MARCH 3, 2013 19:47:09

    Rita Bettis
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) MARCH 3, 2013 11:33:26

    Amber Markham
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Public Safety FEBRUARY 28, 2013 15:14:17

    John Benson
    Undecided IA. Homeland Security & Emergency Management Div. FEBRUARY 28, 2013 13:19:38

    Gary Grant
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) FEBRUARY 28, 2013 12:22:19

    Larry Murphy
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) FEBRUARY 28, 2013 12:22:19

    Robert Ussery
    For IA. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps FEBRUARY 27, 2013 18:39:55

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    Nice! Thanks for posting that info. I'll have to read on those when I need some relaxing material :P
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    I believe you missed the two important ones. I was told these are the ones they want to push through against the hobbyist.

    SSB3033
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    SSB3145




    Quote Originally Posted by Channel 1 View Post
    It only effects law enforcement operation of UAV's, is there anything in particular you want to know about it?

    Wayne

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    Quote Originally Posted by IA-Flyer View Post
    I believe you missed the two important ones. I was told these are the ones they want to push through against the hobbyist.




    SSB3033
    and
    SSB3145
    Good catch.

    On the upside I thiught SSB's where bills that haven't been made it through committee yet and are not assigned for a floor vote? None the less here are the lobbyists involved.

    SSB3033
    SSB 3033

    Marc Beltrame
    Undecided Agribusiness Assn. of IA FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Allied Insurance FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Agribusiness FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33

    Matthew McKinney
    Undecided Agribusiness Assn. of IA FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Allied Insurance FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Agribusiness FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33

    Drue Sander
    Undecided IA. Institute for Cooperatives FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:16:11

    Kayla Lyon
    Undecided IA. Institute for Cooperatives FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:15:26

    Michael Heller
    For IA. State Police Assn. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 21:03:14

    Paula Feltner
    For IA. State Police Assn. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 21:03:14

    Dustin Miller
    Undecided IA. League of Cities FEBRUARY 9, 2014 17:10:47

    Jessica Harder
    Undecided IA. League of Cities FEBRUARY 9, 2014 17:10:47

    John Benson
    Undecided IA. Homeland Security & Emergency Management Div. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 17:00:37

    James Obradovich
    Undecided IA. Public Airports Assn. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 15:25:15

    Steven Schoenebaum
    Undecided Smithfield Foods, Inc. FEBRUARY 7, 2014 13:39:05

    Jill Altringer
    Undecided IA. Federation of Animal Owners JANUARY 29, 2014 11:36:10
    Undecided IA. Poultry Assn. JANUARY 29, 2014 11:36:10
    Undecided IA. Soybean Assn. JANUARY 29, 2014 11:36:10
    Undecided IA. Turkey Federation JANUARY 29, 2014 11:36:10

    Latrice Lacey
    Undecided American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) JANUARY 28, 2014 10:00:33

    Rita Bettis
    Undecided American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) JANUARY 28, 2014 10:00:33

    Susan Cameron
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. JANUARY 27, 2014 09:05:32

    Robert Ussery
    For IA. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps JANUARY 24, 2014 11:54:22

    David Adelman
    Undecided Metropolitan Coalition JANUARY 23, 2014 20:32:32

    Dennis Henderson
    Undecided Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. JANUARY 23, 2014 07:06:05

    Gary Grant
    Against IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) JANUARY 22, 2014 13:05:10

    Larry Murphy
    Against IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) JANUARY 22, 2014 13:05:10

    Amber Markham
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Public Safety JANUARY 22, 2014 09:27:21

    Marty Ryan
    Undecided Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. JANUARY 20, 2014 20:36:47

    Brad Epperly
    Undecided IA. Broadcasters Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 13:39:11
    Undecided IA. Newspaper Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 13:39:11

    Paula Dierenfeld
    Undecided IA. Broadcasters Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 13:39:11
    Undecided IA. Newspaper Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 13:39:11

    Scott Sundstrom
    Undecided IA. Broadcasters Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 13:39:11
    Undecided IA. Newspaper Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 13:39:11

    Kellie Paschke
    Undecided IA. Peace Officers Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 10:41:39

    Lindsay Phillips
    Undecided IA. Peace Officers Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 10:41:39

    Troy Skinner
    Undecided IA. Peace Officers Assn. JANUARY 20, 2014 10:41:39

    Michael Heller
    Undecided IA. State Police Assn. JANUARY 18, 2014 12:56:22

    Paula Feltner
    Undecided IA. State Police Assn.

    SSB3145


    SSB 3145

    Marc Beltrame
    Undecided Agribusiness Assn. of IA FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Allied Insurance FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Agribusiness FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33

    Matthew McKinney
    Undecided Agribusiness Assn. of IA FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Allied Insurance FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Agribusiness FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33
    Undecided Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 13:28:33

    Justine Stevenson
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37

    Kellie Paschke
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37
    Undecided IA. Peace Officers Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37

    Lindsay Phillips
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37
    Undecided IA. Peace Officers Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37

    Troy Skinner
    Undecided IA. Cattlemen's Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37
    Undecided IA. Peace Officers Assn. FEBRUARY 10, 2014 09:31:37

    John Benson
    Undecided IA. Homeland Security & Emergency Management Div. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 17:00:37

    Dennis Henderson
    Undecided Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 16:12:51

    Marty Ryan
    Undecided Fawkes-Lee & Ryan Inc. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 16:12:51

    Joe Kelly
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 12:41:06

    Kelly Meyers
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 12:41:06

    Susan Cameron
    Undecided IA. State Sheriffs' & Deputies' Assn. FEBRUARY 9, 2014 12:41:06

    Latrice Lacey
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) FEBRUARY 8, 2014 18:41:09

    Rita Bettis
    For American Civil Liberties Union of IA (ACLU-IA) FEBRUARY 8, 2014 18:41:09

    Robert Ussery
    Against IA. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps FEBRUARY 5, 2014 23:42:02

    James Obradovich
    Undecided IA. Public Airports Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 21:49:51

    Gary Grant
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) FEBRUARY 5, 2014 15:30:39

    Larry Murphy
    Undecided IA. Police Chief Assn. (FKA IA. Police Executive Forum) FEBRUARY 5, 2014 15:30:39

    Dustin Miller
    Undecided IA. League of Cities FEBRUARY 5, 2014 13:48:23

    Jessica Harder
    Undecided IA. League of Cities FEBRUARY 5, 2014 13:48:23

    Amber Markham
    Undecided IA. Dept. of Public Safety FEBRUARY 5, 2014 10:34:53

    Brad Epperly
    Undecided IA. Broadcasters Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 08:37:08
    Undecided IA. Newspaper Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 08:37:08

    Paula Dierenfeld
    Undecided IA. Broadcasters Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 08:37:08
    Undecided IA. Newspaper Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 08:37:08

    Scott Sundstrom
    Undecided IA. Broadcasters Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 08:37:08
    Undecided IA. Newspaper Assn. FEBRUARY 5, 2014 08:37:08




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    OK, I didn't see this thread, but I did see the article in the Cedar Rapids Gazette: http://thegazette.com/2014/02/26/reg...tiff-headwind/

    So this bill already passed the house! And it certainly DOES affect hobbyist. You can watch the video of the debate and read the bill here. http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/Cool-I...6&hbill=HF2289

    This is very alarming. So I emailed Representative Jarad Klein, here is the transcript of the emails:

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    Todd Pals Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:42 PM
    To: jarad.klein@legis.iowa.gov

    Dear Representative Klein:

    Hello. I am writing to get some clarification on HF 2289. Is there a place I can view how current legislation affects the everyday citizen who enjoys the FPV hobby. What does this bill say about the hobby my 6 year old son and I enjoy?

    Thanks!

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    Klein, Jarad [LEGIS] Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:45 PM
    To: Todd Pals

    Todd,

    I left you a voice mail concerning the issue also.

    Basically when you read the bill, you want to go to the portion that covers people (which also includes commercial entities). We are putting no restrictions on where you can fly beyond what is already in place. We are addressing what you can do when operating a UAV in certain areas. We are saying you cannot record and store audio, video, etc.. over someone's personal property without permission. You can do pretty much whatever you want over your own property or someone else's with permission. If you are over public land you can do whatever you did before including recording.

    -A person shall not use a UAV to capture images of another or private property with the intent to conduct surveillance, stalk, follow or intimidate.

    -A person may use a UAV to capture images of an individual or property with permission from the individual.

    -A person shall not use a UAV with any of the following equipment, unless they have received approval from the tenant or land owner:
    -Emit a peculiar sound or excessive noise
    -Spray a liquid or gas
    -Drop an object

    -UAVís shall not be equipped with dangerous weapons

    Feel free to call me if you have any further questions.

    Rep. Jarad J. Klein, HD 78
    jarad.klein@legis.iowa.gov
    515-689-5430 (cell)
    Vice Chair House Agriculture Committee
    Vice Chair Ag and Natural Resources Budget Subcommittee

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    From: Todd Pals [xxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:42 PM
    To: Klein, Jarad [LEGIS]
    Subject: "UAV" Bill

    Dear Representative Klein:

    Thank you for the voice mail. I appreciate the help clearing it up. I apologize I was on the other line, I would certainly like the chance to speak with you. Please view one of my videos here: http://youtu.be/uYY_sf77rYA .

    From how I understand you, I would be a criminal for this video. It was shot in the farm field behind my house which I do not own. There is obviously no INTENT to spy or cause harm to others.

    I would strongly urge you to change the language for everyday citizens that the recording of video is only illegal if there is ill-intent. I would assume this is similar to the way laws are written for people with cell phones to take pictures. It's not illegal for me to take a picture of private property unless I'm stalking or spying on someone.

    Sincerely,

    Todd Pals

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    Klein, Jarad [LEGIS] Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM
    To: Todd Pals
    Todd,

    All you need is permission from the landowner or tenant. A simple phone call is all you really need at the basic level. If you don't want to do that, you can still go to public ground.

    The difference between a cell phone and a UAV is distinct and worthy of addressing. You can't use a phone to hover over a neighbors pool and record video. Today that is perfectly legal to do. This is why we are simply wanting people to get permission if they are recording.

    We have no expectation of privacy when we are in public. We have some expectation of privacy when it comes to personal property.

    Feel free to call if you have further questions, I am soon to be on the road again.

    -Rep. Jarad J. Klein, HD 78
    jarad.klein@legis.iowa.gov
    515-689-5430 (cell)
    Vice Chair House Agriculture Committee
    Vice Chair Ag and Natural Resources Budget Subcommittee

    ----------

    I then phoned Jarad and spoke with him for about five minutes. He was very adamant that I should be able to very simply call up every owner using a land plat and get permission. Apparently to him we also own the airspace above our property? He said over and over you can do whatever you want, you just cannot record any images using a "drone." I pleaded my case that I agree it should be against the law to do this with ill-intent, but he should word it so it does not hurt the hobbyist. He did not think this would be possible and said that there would be no reason for anyone to report my flying if I wasn't doing anything wrong!

    I would strongly encourage everyone to contact Jarad and other representatives to get this language changed!

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    I don't want to click the links because I don't want to read anymore about this nightmare.
    When does it take affect? I want to rent our farm to someone from Nebraska, sell my house and move to a less oppressive state by then if at all possible.
    Maybe I'll buy an ultralight and fly it over and over our "representatives" houses.

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    "He said over and over you can do whatever you want, you just cannot record any images using a "drone.""
    And that sir, is a direct violation of the 1'st amendment.

    Remember, we share video, photos and audio on the internet for the world to see.
    No one in the government is allowed to choose what citizens deem newsworthy or discussion worthy.
    Last edited by IA-Flyer; 28th February 2014 at 08:28 PM.

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