TBS DISCOVERY - New quadrocopter frame

[Trappy]

I am putting together this thread to present some information about one of the coolest projects I have had the privilege of working on for the past 18 months. We call it the TBS DISCOVERY. It's a very easy to build quadcopter, made for the demanding but sometimes also adrenaline driven FPV pilot. So we had to walk the thin line of making something that flies smooth, and something that flies fast. Something that's reasonably lightweight, but also durable. And it had to be affordable.

The TBS Discovery is a project that has been developed with external help of two copter experts who may wish to present themselves to the Lab (or not :) ). Without their experience and determination we would not have been able to pull this off. Big respect!

We are using the widely available DJI Flamewheel arms as basis to create a quadcopter of new, unparalleled crash-resistance. To make it easy to build, the bottom plate of the TBS DISCOVERY includes a power distribution board, a current sensor and a mounting-hub for the TBS CORE. Obviously, you will be able to order it pre-installed (optional). We have had beta testers who had this thing up in the air in 2 hours. Built in under 1 hour.

I think now you want to see what it looks like :)

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We have been collecting feedback from several testers over the past few weeks, just recently we have let some of our fans have a go and we are just putting their last thoughts back into

TBS' very special friend Rensen has modded it to fit a Servo City DDT500 (http://servocity.com/html/ddt500_direct_drive_tilt.html) light duty tilt and is flying it just with a GoPro. Perfect for real estate and sports coverage.

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Links on the TBS DISCOVERY
As more and more people test this baby they are posting build threads and videos. This place will be a collection for these links:

OpenPilot build thread by Juz:
http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10600-tbs-discovery-prototype-fpv-frame/

OpenPilot build thread by Enthlapy (Team White Llama):
http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10613-tbs-discovery-beta-build-logreview/

Our good friend Rensen taking aufmschlau.ch for a ride:

http://vimeo.com/41642509

FPVLab's Ludovic flying it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3UGOGy0SNA

We're just collecting information as you can see things have been rather hectic around TBS headquarter :) Pre-order is expected to start in about 3 weeks. Final availability 2 weeks after. Looking forward to hear what you think!

Build instructions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAhJv32vlQ

[brosius85]

Yummy yummy you know what ... I might go for one of these :)

[BayAreaCrasher]

very very cool, been following the news over at the OP forums :)

[Dogsock]

Sweet! I want one of those too...

[airbagit13]

Nice man, looks solid.

[Enthlapy]

http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10613-tbs-discover-beta-build-logreview/


:)

[elliott000]

Very tempting, i have like 6 spare dji arms lol, and i complain about realestate for the gear on my 450... Consider one sold

[HAWKS]

LOOKS GREAT!
I like the set up for the Go Pro here. It can be adjusted. How are these props working out?

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http://fpvlab.com/forums/images/misc/pencil.png

[Trappy]

the graupner props are excellent for filming. very brittle though, nothing for weed-whacking :)

[plingboot]

trappy, will you be offering this as an upgrade for existing flamewheel owners? if so i'm probably up for one.

wish i'd known about this a week ago, just bought an ht-fpv to replace my flamewheel. :-/

[RcLab1]

Nice!
Whats was your average flight times when tested fully loaded (weight)?

(I'm following TimNilisons' new Quad also) :-):)

[Trappy]

really depends on the motors and battery. about 10 minutes with a 4S 3300mAh and the stock DJI motors. I can squeeze out almost double of that with a 3S 6000 and some sexy AHM motors.

[Traveller]

Nice Trappy! I'll will defenitly be ordering one ones there out! the only thing is that i see you can get the tbs core with it, while i just today orderd a tbs core system.... wil i be abel to place it on the plate myself?

Regards

Fer

[Trappy]

Fer, Sure, it's very easy to do it yourself. We ship the pin-headers that are required together with the frame.

[Traveller]

That's great news Trppay! thanx for the info!

[Trappy]

trappy, will you be offering this as an upgrade for existing flamewheel owners? if so i'm probably up for one.

wish i'd known about this a week ago, just bought an ht-fpv to replace my flamewheel. :-/
yes, the frame will actually ONLY be available as an upgrade to the existing flamewheel or the china-clone. we do not plan on competing with DJI, and they do not sell the arms + screw set individually. If you're a DIY guy you can buy the arms, a couple of 2.5mm screws and then get cracking. but to be honest the arms alone will set you back about $45, the additional $30 are well spent for the high quality screws. if you want to save money get the knock-off frame for $25 including all the screws.

[Flying Monkey]

That thing looks SWEET! It was only a matter of time before the X got boring... loving the new arm layouts.

If you need help developing a TBS Tricopter, let me know!! I'm available for beta testing too!!

[Trappy]

That thing looks SWEET! It was only a matter of time before the X got boring... loving the new arm layouts.

If you need help developing a TBS Tricopter, let me know!! I'm available for beta testing too!!
we don't like Tri's. If you're going to go multirotor, might as well get rid of the servo :) we're doing something completely different next. well ... "next" ... we're close to completion, starting the NEXT project this weekend actually :)

[airbagit13]

Awww Trappy dont hate, Tricopters are actually pretty amazing in their own way. The yaw mechanism on the tail makes for incredibly fluid and smooth turns. You can spin like a top if you wanted to and then stop in an instant.

Looking forward to seeing what your cooking up.

[Trappy]

haha that's what you call hating? I think I should start hating to give you an example ... :D

[Flying Monkey]

Well... I don't much like the servo either... but it just flys SO much better and more natural than a quad. I've built 8 tri's and 5 quads and I still love the tri. I even converted my Y6 to have a servo/yaw mount.

Still up for beta testing anything you come up with.

btw... is that a deans connector I see on the frame?

[Trappy]

it's whatever you want it to be :) we shipped it to beta testers with the deans ... apparently there's a development that we missed, everyone is on XT60 now. The batteries we use do not get shipped with XT60 from hobbyking, so we're still all deans. anyways, don't give us hate, we already got enough for that :)

[Flying Monkey]

haha that's what you call hating? I think I should start hating to give you an example ... :D

Please don't... I already feel hurt by your last comment on tricopters... :(


Well then, explain this you tricopter hater!! LOL
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5452/7088680365_1e75fd2ec7_b.jpg

[Trappy]

lol I was counting the seconds until that one came up. it's a nice piece of kit :(

[Flying Monkey]

lol I was counting the seconds until that one came up. it's a nice piece of kit :(

Couldn't resist buddy! ;)

Looking over Juz's build now... You guys really went to a LOT of detail! :)

[Trappy]

there is a lot of details in the things you don't see, too. like the gopro mount. the front is beveled to avoid the rubber band tuching the side of the frame. this reduces the vibration going through the rubber band to the gopro. just one example :) remember this frame has been in the making for almost 1 year :)

[airbagit13]

Hehe I'm from Miami, we say "Don't Hate" to everything. lol

[Flying Monkey]

I keep looking at this, drooling... And keep refreshing Juz's build thread to see if he's added anything yet. Darned Australian, he's probably sleeping right now... Can't wait til he uploads a video of it. But I want more than just a video FROM it, I want to see it cruising around.

[gbla1983]

I always wondered when you guys would come up with something for multirotors.. there you go!

[roberto]

I hate you Trappy.

[plingboot]

this has turned out to be a right fking PIA.

i /was/ all set to ditch the flamewheel and really looking forward to building the camo ht-fpv, which is currently sitting in uk customs.

but now i've spent the whole day thinking how much more i'm looking forward to converting the flamewheel into a discovery (which means no flightcontroller for the ht-fpv) and maybe building one of tim's quads. bollocks to the pair of you ;-)

[Trappy]

haha sorry guys. we'll make the preorder cheap enough not to break a sweat :)

[Flying Monkey]

Next they'll come out with a TBS fc for multirotors that has everything and can do way more than the diydrones apm2.0 plus an integrated ezuhf... Grrr... I was gonna buy food this month.

[Trappy]

much better, man ... much better :)

[Traveller]

where can we sign up for the pre order trappy?

[Trappy]

in about 2 weeks we will have preorders available. we play it safe, won't take your money before we are 100% sure we can deliver.

[Chukmil]

I will definitely want to be on the preorder list....very nice frame indeed

[jeffscholl]

Nice work!
Do you have any of the footage from the GoPro?

Cheers,
Jeff

[Kenny9999]

Look really good but...

Is it a cooperation build with DJI? cause it look like a modified DJI framewheel F450? here

http://www.dji-hobby.com/flame/index_en.html

I have the F450, great frame, fly good... still a X and that spider style is more fun for FPV, so I ordered myself a HT-FPV, so, I will stick with it! The only thing missing with the HT-FPV is the power distribution, like it like you did, really convenient!

[Trappy]

we have permission from DJI. and yes, you can use your flamewheel and just upgrade it. we will offer an upgrade-kit.

[Kenny9999]

Ok ok, nice. I like the DJI way so far, so good, but, prefer the spider style shape, so, I'm in :)

[Traveller]

What would you advise power system? motors and esc?

[Trappy]

so far we are recommending the DJI power system with the DJI flight control. a couple of the openpilot guys are testing it now and they're going to find something better, I'm sure :) we tested a wide variety of motors, but price vs. performance were pretty much constant so ... better motors, better performance, more money spent. the idea is to find something that is giving better performance with same money spent or less money spent. this would be the ideal setup.

[Kenny9999]

I've test many combination til now, and this is what i'm currently flying

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2161
and
http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=C3001679&pid=B1688512

and 10x4.5 prop and it's probably one of the best combination I've had so far, My only problem is that those BP motor shaft are a bit week and bend quite easily...

My 2c

[Traveller]

I saw that on the op site... i miself will also be using the CC FC for control... and was thinking about using ether the NX-4008's or the new T-motor MT-4006-13 motor's with flashed 30Amp plushe's on 4s.... (probbebly go for the NX-4008's seeing i have 4 laying around) but i would need to make a modifed motor mount.

[FPVdude]

nice, integrated PCBs are becoming so common these days... my wood tricopter looks so old :)
you should use nylon bolts to hold in the arms, that way you dont wreck the PCB in a crash.
just my 2c, ignore if necessary :)

[Trappy]

ignored. shiny red aluminum is so sexy :)

[Enthlapy]

I like the black / red theme my self. Didnt know if you guys checked but imgoing 4s route using some NTM 750 KV motors and 10" props. Really nicepower/weight ratio so far. More details here if you wana check it out : http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10613-tbs-discovery-beta-build-logreview/ (http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10613-tbs-discovery-beta-build-logreview/) You guys should know me by now, i report the good/bad and the ugly :).


This IS the quad for us FPV nuts. Unfortunatly I lack the writing skill toemphazise how really nice it is, even with these bias opinions about the arms :P

[FPV FLYER]

$$$$ WANTED $$$$
http://fpvlab.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9715&d=1336281842
lol

[Trappy]

haha. FPV terrorist mugshot :)

[FPV FLYER]

roflmao!!!

[yodajones]

When will this be available to purchase, and where?

[meme]

Hello all,

i had the pleasure to test the TBS Discovery:

Build taked 2 hours (had to destroy the Bottom Plate of my F550 cause too much Loctite on the Screws :-) ) I think i am a really bad builder, so if i am able to build it up , everyone here will be able to bring it up.
Loved to fly it FPV AND straight LOS. I started with MR only couple Months ago and flying it in LOS is like flying a Plane, easy to know wich direction it flies. So the Diversity is not only a great FPV Ship for People who already owns a Flamewheel and is bored with it like me, but is also great to improve MR Skills, specially when you come from fixed Wings.
I would love i had more time to test it and to work on the gains, here some quick&dirty edited Gopro-Footage, post- stabilized with the imovie-stabi, but i see no big Changes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJok51T0UK4

best, meme

[FPV FLYER]

You mean TBS Discovery... ;)

[meme]

You mean TBS Discovery... ;)
lol, corrected, THX :-)

[Trappy]

thanks meme, glad you liked it. here's a little update, folks :)

look what the postman delivered today:
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[FPVdude]

oooohhhh red shiny!

[HAWKS]

Hello all,

i had the pleasure to test the TBS Discovery:

Build taked 2 hours (had to destroy the Bottom Plate of my F550 cause too much Loctite on the Screws :-) ) I think i am a really bad builder, so if i am able to build it up , everyone here will be able to bring it up.
Loved to fly it FPV AND straight LOS. I started with MR only couple Months ago and flying it in LOS is like flying a Plane, easy to know wich direction it flies. So the Diversity is not only a great FPV Ship for People who already owns a Flamewheel and is bored with it like me, but is also great to improve MR Skills, specially when you come from fixed Wings.
I would love i had more time to test it and to work on the gains, here some quick&dirty edited Gopro-Footage, post- stabilized with the imovie-stabi, but i see no big Changes:

best, meme

meme,
Thanks for some of the Build info.

The arms of the 550 and 450 would they the same size? Plus can you post some information like size or Graupner specs/Url of the prop.
What props did you use in the video?

[Perna]

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The new spacer are much lighter then the beta ones!

[FPVdude]

Just wondering, does the odd arm spacing do anything for stability? like, does is it more stable on the roll than on the pitch?

[imdone]

why not go symmetrical with the arms?

[Hucker]

Gets the props out of the camera view.

[FPV FLYER]

The Discovery quad is VERY stable even though the arms are not symmetrical, perfect for AP and certainly more stable than the dji 450. But what I really liked about the TBS Quad is the huge room on board for all the electronics, and how well the design was to eliminate the wire clutter and at the same time provide an osd with clean power for your cam and vtx.

[Trappy]

it's not as easy as just "going symmetrical". there are a lot of factors at play regarding CG.

[Iceman]

Really looking forward to this Quad Trappy. I like the roomy layout/sacrificial arms/integrated components.

The BIG headache I find with my multi rotors to date is my 500Mw LM VTx out performs my TLRS! Currently I have 8min flightime but fly to its range limit inside 1 minute around 1/3rd of a mile out/10ft altitude but in full LOS. So the big ask is how far are we going to be able to get the Discovery out using integrated components. The RX is surrounded by sources of EMF noise in a quad + GoPro within a few inches?

I'll be having a Discovery either way but would love to get 1 mile + without resorting to boosting etc.

Whats your thoughts on possible range?

Thanx Ice

[Trappy]

Iceman, thanks. glad you like it. the spacing of the DISCOVERY items has been optimized. For the long range enthusiasts we will have something special, hopefully already at time of preorder. with some special mods we have managed 12km range on our prototype quads (9 miles). I think it's stupid to fly out this far, though, you cannot return with battery.

[brosius85]

Hahaha you guys are mad for your kamikaze missions :p

[Trappy]

all in the name of science ... :)

[IBCrazy]

I *really* wish I had time to build a quadcopter.... I might buy one of these anyway and dream of the day I have time to build it up.

-Alex

[Trappy]

start to finish less than 2h. unless your girlfriend is "disturbing" you ... :)

[Flying Monkey]

Or...

Trappy, send me a Discovery frame kit for ibcrazy. Ibcrazy, ship the motors, escs, fc, vtx, crx, etc to me. I'll build it, tune it and test fly it... then ship it to you. :)

[FPVdude]

Or, trappy, you could just send one to me free of charge... :D

[Trappy]

any other crazy ideas? :)

[FPVdude]

yes you could also include a TBS zephr2, a TBS CORE, a TBS 69 camera, and all those other goodies :D

[Flying Monkey]

any other crazy ideas? :)

I have more... but go ahead.

[Trappy]

haha you guys crack me up :)

[speedstep]

Can't wait to order! Love the design!i'm flying a naza 550 now and love the idea of the tbs osd lite, that's all what you need!

So the kit will include spacers, screws, frame, tbs core and anything else? Arms (i know dji)? motors? Fc? Props?
What will be optional and what's included?
I've got a naza 550 and that could be the donor for the discovery...


Cheers,

Stefan

[plingboot]

trappy, you planning any bundle deal pricing?

ie: disco, pdb, osd, fpv cam?

just hunting around for another ezOSD for this build, but might buy the lot as a bundle.

[Trappy]

speedstep, if you have a flamwheel we will offer everything you need to convert it to the discovery. we may offer ESC + motors (not sure about that yet), arms, etc. but basically the idea at the start is to buy a flamewheel, your own motors/esc/fc and then the discovery top and bottom frame. everything else will be optional.

plingboot, there is no PDB needed, it's on the discovery :) the OSD is on the CORE. so yes, that's what we will be offering as bundle (discovery, CORE, cam).

[whakahere]

Timecop, from RCgroups who seems to know a lot about multirotors, said that the DJI arms created vibrations that really screwed up rapid escs. From what I hear the DJI naza control works really well but other boards seems to have more problems with it. Have you found this in your testing or do you find it excellent overall?

he is the video of what it does

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N8hHBkRd6Gk

[IBCrazy]

Or...

Trappy, send me a Discovery frame kit for ibcrazy. Ibcrazy, ship the motors, escs, fc, vtx, crx, etc to me. I'll build it, tune it and test fly it... then ship it to you. :)

Thanks for the offer! I have all the prats (minus controller board) to build a tricopter I have been designing, but the most I have done to it so far is move the box of parts to my storage room. Maybe I'll skip the tricopter and go to this one... decision, decisions...

[whakahere]

Alex you need a quad! I have found that the people who go thrill seeking flying need something that is strong and ... stupid servos don't go breaking. build a quad and crash often.

[Flying Monkey]

Alex you need a quad! I have found that the people who go thrill seeking flying need something that is strong and ... stupid servos don't go breaking. build a quad and crash often.

I have yet to fry a servo on a tricopter. And I do a lot of proximity and crashing. I even use $5 hk metal gear (analog) servos. It's funny when people who fly airplanes with lots of servos freak out when it comes to having a servo on a multirotor (not talking to you specifically!). To each his own though, I have several tricopters and several quads.

[whakahere]

I've gone through 2 metal gear servos ..... smashed the case in both.

okay both were from crap design or ...... not gluing something down

[Trappy]

it's a question of aesthetics not durability. either you get a quad, or a helicopter. tri is the retard in between :)

[ramboky]

it's a question of aesthetics not durability. either you get a quad, or a helicopter. tri is the retard in between :)

Either you get a hex or a tri. Quad is the retard in between. :p

[ramboky]

Do, or do not... There is no tri.

[Flying Monkey]

Honestly, if you have less than 12 motors you're not doing it right... :)

[roberto]

I have no favorite... feels like more motors = more stable but IDK. I just think it´s plain cool an R/C thing w/o servos.

BTW, IMO quad designs would benefit a lot from 135 FOV HD cams, (Replay, Contour, modded GP and so on )

[FPVdude]

I think tricopters win the "WTF" award. They look sort of gangly and weird, so naturally people outside the hobby are the most interested in them. Most people have seen videos of quads, but never heard of a tri. Same applies to a hex.
Still, no matter what multi rotor you have, people are REALLY interested and will ask TONS of questions.

[ramboky]

There are huge advantages in going hex or octo over a quad. Aside from stability, efficiency and increased payloads they add a significant amount of reliability. If a single motor/ESC/prop fails on a quad or tri you're picking shards of gopro lens out of the dirt. A hex or octo can continue to fly with one or more failures - depending on the flight controller.

That said, I fly quads and tris. Unless you're strapping your expensive DSLR to it a well build quad is plenty reliable. Plus there's less props to destroy.

[milehigh]

There are huge advantages in going hex or octo over a quad. Aside from stability, efficiency and increased payloads they add a significant amount of reliability. If a single motor/ESC/prop fails on a quad or tri you're picking shards of gopro lens out of the dirt. A hex or octo can continue to fly with one or more failures - depending on the flight controller.

Less spinning stuff (i.e propellers) is always more efficient, no? And don't forget you're adding more points of failure with more motors so I'm not really sure how much more reliable it is at the end of the day.

[FPV FLYER]

...picking shards of gopro lens out of the dirt...
It sounds like you need the layerlens from fpvmanuals (http://www.fpvmanuals.com/layerlens/)
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[ramboky]

Less spinning stuff (i.e propellers) is always more efficient, no? And don't forget you're adding more points of failure with more motors so I'm not really sure how much more reliable it is at the end of the day.

Not necessarily but in thinking about it I don't have the facts to back my efficiency statement up... Perhaps someone else can chime in one way or the other.

You're right, there are more points of failure but less critical points of failure. And the chance of two failed motors/ESCs/props out of a pool of six or eight is significantly lower than the chances of a single failure in a pool of four.

[ramboky]

It sounds like you need the layerlens from fpvmanuals (http://www.fpvmanuals.com/layerlens/)
9876

Lol! One step ahead of you there! Though sadly one step behind with my first GoPro...

[whakahere]

Lol! One step ahead of you there! Though sadly one step behind with my first GoPro...

reason I left NZ ... not in my wildest dreams could I afford this hobby in NZ. I am just a teacher after all and NZ doesn't pay that well at all. ... well they didn't in 2001. With a young family and mortgage there is't a chance that I would have any spending cash left over.

The problem with a hex ect is the cost to get it in the air and needing to find a clear area for the camera. You need the camera under frame and with my style of flying that is destroyed in minutes.

[FPV FLYER]

http://fpvlab.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9879&d=1336631192http://

[Flying Monkey]

Not necessarily but in thinking about it I don't have the facts to back my efficiency statement up... Perhaps someone else can chime in one way or the other.

You're right, there are more points of failure but less critical points of failure. And the chance of two failed motors/ESCs/props out of a pool of six or eight is significantly lower than the chances of a single failure in a pool of four.

Well, obviously if you went from a tricopter to a hexacopter and used the same battery you'd get shorter flight times, but if you double the battery you'll get longer flight times, depending on your setup. Let's look at an extreme example, I built a new mini-tricopter over the weekend that weights 6.4 ounces empty but has 36oz of thrust at full throttle. With a 1.6oz battery (400mah 3s) its very aerobatic and can climb and pick up speed like a demon. I got curious though and tried lifting a 2200mah 3s. It did, just barely below half throttle, but became a lot less stable and struggled a bit so I turned the gains way down. It ended up hovering for 25 fricken minutes!! Now I'm thinking I'll make a hexacopter with the same motors/esc. So I'll be adding 3.4oz of weight but also adding another 36oz of thrust, but without adding another rx, fc, fpv gear, or hub... it'll be more stable with 6 so I'll shorten the arm length, so the addition of 3 arms won't add much weight (teeny carbon tubes anyhow). Now it'll lift two batteries for a total of 4400mah and the flight time should be north of 30 minutes... How much more will be the experiment. But since I've only added a small amount of weight and increased thrust greatly it should lift a 5000mah 3s and still be below half throttle, so maybe 40 minutes.

However, if you're rocking 400watt motors with 12x4.5 props, then the weight of the fc, rx, fpv gear, etc is more marginal and won't make much of a difference.

[FPVdude]

I have a hexacopter, It flies nicely once its weighted down. With no gopro, small battery it flies TERRIBLY simply because it is too light. Need some weight to get those motors working :)

[ramboky]

@Flying Monkey: Thanks for that explanation. I'd be interested in hearing how you get on with the hex if you decide to do it.

@FPVdude: I had a hex and my experience was similar. With PID adjustments it was quite flyable light and had excellent flight time but nowhere near as solid as when loaded up with more battery. Sadly it's now sitting at the bottom of the Cook Strait.

[whakahere]

@FPVdude: I had a hex and my experience was similar. With PID adjustments it was quite flyable light and had excellent flight time but nowhere near as solid as when loaded up with more battery. Sadly it's now sitting at the bottom of the Cook Strait.

well that was a stupid thing fly over cook strait. it bloody windy there and lots of water. Don't tell me you were on the ferry and you thought flying off the boat would be a good idea. :D

[FPVdude]

Tell us what happened! We won't laugh, unless its reeeeaaallllyyyy stupid.... :D

[ramboky]

well that was a stupid thing fly over cook strait. it bloody windy there and lots of water. Don't tell me you were on the ferry and you thought flying off the boat would be a good idea. :D


Tell us what happened! We won't laugh, unless its reeeeaaallllyyyy stupid.... :D

Ha! I live in Wellington, windiest damn city on the planet, all my flying takes place in low grade hurricanes :p

Flying off the deck of the ferry has crossed my mind several times... But no, I was flying FPV low and slow around the coast and didn't take enough care to maintain LOS. Put a huge rock between myself and the hex, lost video and panicked. Instead of doing the sensible thing and throttle up I tried to fly out from behind the rock blind. No idea whether I hit the rock or just flew into the drink but I never saw the copter again...

[Enthlapy]

http://youtu.be/ohky1ZYtFJE?t=3m22s

[ramboky]

http://youtu.be/ohky1ZYtFJE?t=3m22s

Nice flip!

[timnilson]

Really well done Raphael and TBS. I know this was a lot of work. And yes, definitely stay away from tricopters... :)

[Enthlapy]

Thanks, i still have to do some fine tunning with D and those little jitters. Hopfully we get some quad world 6 footage :) Im hoping there is a spare frame set trappy is hiding so i can really open her up :) or crash really bad LMAO

[Trappy]

Enthlapy, quite a few on the way. if you can wait 2 weeks ... :) in any case I think you won't break the frame, the arms are made to give.

Timnilson, will do :) our next project has a few less blades :D

[FPV FLYER]

Personally I can't hardly wait ;)

[whakahere]

http://youtu.be/ohky1ZYtFJE?t=3m22s

tuning session my ass. You were having fun :P

[Chukmil]

Trappy, when its time for pre-orders will it be noted on the TBS store? How / where will we know to pre-order? I am ready to get one of these bad boys on the way!

[Trappy]

we'll announce it in all places (FPVlab, Facebook, OpenPilot), just stay tuned to one of these sites. we're waiting for one piece of the puzzle to get confirmed on monday, and then we'll launch (or wait, depending if the piece fits :) )

[Enthlapy]

tuning session my ass. You were having fun :P

Isnt it why we do this :)

[zozolione]

yammi.. again something discovered that is wanna have THING ;-)!

[jamison816]

any word on preorders im ready to pay..

[Chukmil]

any word on preorders im ready to pay..

Today was to be the day...I can only assume there must be a problem that means delays:(......oh well

[Trappy]

hey, last I checked I still had 9 minutes ... ! :) problem was trappy ... I needed 2 days off on the weekend, my brain went into "FPV or shutdown" mode. Preorder will be up by tomorrow. Sorry.

[jamison816]

Hmmmm...what do I do with all these extra dji booms?

[jamison816]

Guess I'll click my way over to ht for that brittle but prop less video equivalent.... Maybe the zombie 2

[FPV FLYER]

http://fpvlab.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10247&d=133713516110247

[Chukmil]

Trappy, is there a time frame for pre-orders?

[Trappy]

yes, starting today! and will take about 2 weeks. will probably take until evening for me to set it all up, though.

[cowboyvidz]

I need one of these

[jamison816]

... And ....

[Trappy]

http://team-blacksheep.com/products/product:98

Preorder is ready guys. Sorry for the delays!

[Traveller]

Sweet!!! Just got one!!! Am i the first one? :D


Regards

Fer

[Trappy]

yup, free Velcro Straps for you! :)

[BayAreaCrasher]

damn...did I get something free? I purchased one :)

[Trappy]

haha, depends on my mood on packing day :)

[BayAreaCrasher]

cool, hopefully it's a great mood and come with 4 free DJI arms :)

[Trappy]

haha we'll see :) thanks for the support guys!

[ramboky]

Ordered! Yet another winter my daughter will have to go without shoes.... :p

[Trappy]

haha. priorities … :)

[airbagit13]

Ordered! Yet another winter my daughter will have to go without shoes.... :p

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha awesome.

[Rowdy]

...Ordered with goodies... I have a problem

[ramboky]

haha. priorities … :)


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha awesome.

Actually... now that I think about it... her feet are about the right size to slip into the broken off nose of a Bixler... And I have a few of those laying around... whack a rubber band around each one and voila! Instant shoe.

[Traveller]

yup, free Velcro Straps for you! :)

Haha wicked thanx trappy!

Regards

Fer

[plingboot]

ordered…

trappy - was going to add a camera to the order but just wanted to check first - if i'm running it with an IRC ezOSD/current sensor and IRC 12v step-up for the camera - i assume can do without the TBS Core?

[Trappy]

plingboot, yup, no CORE needed in that case.

[Lifter]

Hey Trappy,

Could you add some Austrian Chocolates to my future orders please to get the weight up....

"Please note that parcels below 2kg / 4.5lbs weight are not traceable through the internet tracking system. Keep your tracking number for reference nonetheless, we will need it in case you receive damaged items or if items get lost."

[Iceman]

Trappy your killing us... waited up till 12.20 for the pre-orders to open no sign LOL. Had an early start today and just had to check when I got up at 5.30am. Two days of sleep deprivation to get my name down HA HA...didnt manage to catch the bit about some sort of order number. I just hit the Paypal option..Time for a snooooozzze me thinks.

[yodajones]

I ordered. Darn it, I ordered the straps. I should have looked here first.

Can I have the shoes that ramboky was going to get his kid?

[Trappy]

free straps were just for the first order :) they're really expensive, I believe we're sellign them below MSRP (shhh! :) )

[man2000me]

First individual order or first discovery order?

[Trappy]

first discovery order

[yodajones]

So I guess the shoes are not coming either?

[Kenny9999]

Ordered mine :)

[Flying Monkey]

Hey Trappy,

Could you add some Austrian Chocolates to my future orders please to get the weight up....

"Please note that parcels below 2kg / 4.5lbs weight are not traceable through the internet tracking system. Keep your tracking number for reference nonetheless, we will need it in case you receive damaged items or if items get lost."

Oh that'll get your weight up alright!

[bmallory]

What's the distance motor to motor? Du you think it's possible to use 11 or 12" props. (along with those new tiger motors)?

[Trappy]

bmallory, we're getting the complete tiger motor product line. I'm going to find a good prop combo, they look super sweet. 11" might be possible, it wasn't on the prototype frame but the new one has 2cm more front-to-back distance so 11" might work. Keep in mind 10" or maybe even 9" may be better (cleaner air to the props). we'll test ASAP and post the data online. just out of curiosity, which tiger motor were you looking at? my fav one thus far is the MT 4006

[FPVer]

On the preorder website, if you opt to buy the frame in combination with the TBS core an option to have the core installed on the frame is available. Could explain what is meant by this option, what it entails. Thanks

P.S. really excited (parents may buy this for me if exam results good enough :D )

[Trappy]

it means we'll install the CORE for you instead of just supplying the pin headers and making you do it.

[bmallory]

Yes i was looking for the MT4006 also. I read somewhere that the maximum efficiency is achieved by using larger props.. I have a flamewheel and 10" is the max you can put on it.
Maybe another way is to use 10x4.7 props instead of the 10x4.5... I wouldn't mind if you could test that combo ;)

[Trappy]

yup, looking at the same thing... aiming for max efficiency too. the DJI flamewheel motors and flamewheel or graupner props are fine for bashing around, but for efficient (loooong raaange! :) ) quadcopter flights we need something that really works. may end up with custom-wound motors like we had on our first frame ... 20min flights. ahh, the good times :)

[kloner]

does the regular layer lens work with this?

[chad2323]

I just ordered mine but wondering what the TBS core bundle is? I think I just ordered the plates wondering if I should get the bundle? What will the TBS Core give me thats not on just the plates. Thank's I love this frame.

Chet

[Dallibab]

Forgot to tick that box I think, can mine be preinstalled please no 819

[Trappy]

does the regular layer lens work with this?
yes! the GoPro will be mounted using the rubber bands though. the layerlens just goes around the GoPro, the rubber band around both.


I just ordered mine but wondering what the TBS core bundle is? I think I just ordered the plates wondering if I should get the bundle? What will the TBS Core give me thats not on just the plates. Thank's I love this frame.

Chet
The CORE will give you 5V/12V (your choice) for VTx and camera plus work as a basic OSD (power, voltage, RSSI, flight time). Also, it makes installing the FPV gear very simple. And we'll have a surprise in store before we ship out the pre-orders (no worries, preorder guys will get a VERY good deal on this to add it to the order).

For more information about the CORE please read here:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?5367-TBS-CORE-The-all-in-one-FPV-solution-from-the-sheep-that-fly

And see the image from Enthlapy here:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo329/enthlapy/TBS%20Discovery/IMG_4568.jpg


Forgot to tick that box I think, can mine be preinstalled please no 819
Done.

[kloner]

does it come with the power connector pre installed? i remember reading you found people switched to xt-60's, can i still get deans? or just left without one? #800

[Trappy]

we will include connector and a short cable. both XT60 and Deans will be included.

[chad2323]

Thank's Trappy sounds great





yes! the GoPro will be mounted using the rubber bands though. the layerlens just goes around the GoPro, the rubber band around both.


The CORE will give you 5V/12V (your choice) for VTx and camera plus work as a basic OSD (power, voltage, RSSI, flight time). Also, it makes installing the FPV gear very simple. And we'll have a surprise in store before we ship out the pre-orders (no worries, preorder guys will get a VERY good deal on this to add it to the order).

For more information about the CORE please read here:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?5367-TBS-CORE-The-all-in-one-FPV-solution-from-the-sheep-that-fly

And see the image from Enthlapy here:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo329/enthlapy/TBS%20Discovery/IMG_4568.jpg


Done.

[kloner]

thanks

[ramboky]

And we'll have a surprise in store before we ship out the pre-orders (no worries, preorder guys will get a VERY good deal on this to add it to the order).

Any hints?

[FPVer]

:cool:

[man2000me]

NAZA with GPS...

[ramboky]

NAZA with GPS...

Whaaaa? I'd read they were coming... Where from?

[Trappy]

haha WRONG! :) here's the surprise! now you all guess what it is ... lol

10343

[plingboot]

…a shielding case

…for the chocolates you're including to get the shipping weight up?

[Trappy]

I think we have a winner here ... :D

[TooSlow2Care]

an etched sheilding case no less!!
thanks Trappy, RISKyD & the rest of the team!!!!
cheers,
Brian

[Traveller]

Nice sheilding case for the TBS Core!!! Wicked!!!

[Dallibab]

I need a shield for my props, buggers keep getting pulled towards the ground for some reason :)

[Trappy]

yeah we're working on that anti-gravity upgrade kit :)

[man2000me]

So what is it supposed to do?

[Kenny9999]

Some Godiva coming???

[sveininge]

Trappy

How is this frame v's the new quad from fpvmanuals.com

Iam thinking about vibrations in the frame.

[jamison816]

Mr trappy sir if I pay for a core separate would it be possible to install it for me?

[Trappy]

sveininge, they were made for two different applications. this one is a "FPV funcopter". I'm good friends with Tim and have agreed not to get into any "ours is better, his is worse"-Kind of discussions. tim's is certainly more tolerant towards vibrations from the Motors and props.

Jamison816: sure, just send me the Money (pm me for the paypal) and I'll change the order for you

man2000me, the CORE shield will help you extend the UHF range despite having the switchers from the CORE in Close proximity to the receivers. We have made tests with the CORE flying on the copter to about 3 miles without issues. For those that want to press further, they'll need the shield.

[Kenny9999]

Trappy

How is this frame v's the new quad from fpvmanuals.com

Iam thinking about vibrations in the frame.

I have the DJI F450 and the plastic arm are pretty rock solid and really good at vibration dampener. I believe the aluminum arm will be more prone to vibration... From my personal experiences...

[jamison816]

sveininge, they were made for two different applications. this one is a "FPV funcopter". I'm good friends with Tim and have agreed not to get into any "ours is better, his is worse"-Kind of discussions. tim's is certainly more tolerant towards vibrations from the Motors and props.

Jamison816: sure, just send me the Money (pm me for the paypal) and I'll change the order for you

man2000me, the CORE shield will help you extend the UHF range despite having the switchers from the CORE in Close proximity to the receivers. We have made tests with the CORE flying on the copter to about 3 miles without issues. For those that want to press further, they'll need the shield.

Awesome thanks

[Flying Monkey]

You guys go on a lot of vacations! lol...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1653895#post21649106

[Trappy]

I know. It's a benefit when being part of Team BlackSheep :) we have at least 50 people on vacation right now - most of them call themselves "trappy" :)

[Flying Monkey]

Well, theres 3 pics of your quad on the front page "hot pics" so I'd call that a win... (begin evil laugh)

[kev.au]

Can't quote your post(in that rcg thread)....

[Trappy]

LOL I just saw that hahahahaha man that must piss them off.

kev.au , no need they gotta leave it up there now it's so popular :)

[Trappy]

all our 3 pics are still "hot pics" :)

[man2000me]

Double the DJI arms? Sweet.

[Trappy]

yeah I think we've overcharged on the DJI arms since they halved the Prices a week or so ago. the immediate solution (after Price confirmation from DJI) is that we ship all those who paid double double the amount of arms, and drop the prices.

[filipinto]

Just ordered one from you. :)

[jamison816]

Anyone know where to get a few extra dji shoulder screws?

[Trappy]

which ones? M3 or M2.5? you can get these in any hardware store ... they don't need to be the exact same type.

[FPVer]

OK, having pre-ordered (#895) the TBS DISCOVERY + TBS CORE I have made the following list of questions:
1. How would you suggest mounting a 35 MHz antenna on the frame?
2. In Enthalpy's excellent build of one of the TBS Discovery prototypes he says,
"Added some header pins for now, waiting for the connectors to make custom cables." which I am assuming refers to the set of two 4-pinned connectors located either side of the TBS core in this picture:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo329/enthlapy/TBS%20Discovery/IMG_4559.jpg
My question is whether you have a part number (farnell preferably) for the male connectors (including crimps) that would be able to mate with these white connectors? Else a brand such as picoblade? would be good.
3. Do you have any recommended transport options? E.g. removing arms and transporting, tossing in that back of the car or is there someway to transport the quad via backpack?

[Trappy]

the cables are included in the TBS DISCOVERY kit and the CORE kit respectively. the VTX cable comes with the DISCOVERY, the CAM cable comes with the CORE.

35MHz are always hard to mount on copters. I suggest to use a relatively stiff tube to run it out the back some and then let it hang down.

the outer dimensions of the copter are: 48cm x 35cm x 11cm. I just take mine around with me assembled, Perna keeps his assembled in the car, RiSCyD had it in his backpack with the props taken off. It's a question of preference ;)

[FPVer]

Thanks!

[filipinto]

Hey Trappy... What are you doing this summer?
Guess what.. After ordering the TBS Discovery, the organizer from this festival http://boomfestival.org/boom2012/ got in contact with me to do some aerial footage.
Have a look at the website, its an amazing festival that only happens every two years. its similar to the burning man festival but around a beautiful green lake.
want to help ;) ?

[Trappy]

sounds good. unfortunately I can't tell right now what I'm up to. can we make this a "short notice" thing? :)

[filipinto]

I think we can.
For the past ten years i havent missed one, its a very good festival! people from around the world are coming for this every time.
he is going to give me extra tickets, if you decide to come i probably just have to send him your youtube link and tell him that the master his coming.
they have connection flights from Grenoble, the closest to you i think.
from July 28 to August 4.
I´m taking my TBS Z1, Heptad and my new Discovery ;)
You are very welcome to come, just let me know.

[Trappy]

well, I have entered it into calendar but things are very hectic around here so I really can't plan more than 2h ahead at this point. just today while shopping I got a phone call which will make my next week very busy - it's happening very frequently these days :(

[timnilson]

which ones? M3 or M2.5? you can get these in any hardware store ... they don't need to be the exact same type.

Raphael -- M3 and M2.5 screws are tough to find in hardware stores in the US (and other non-metric countries). If you're in the US, try smallparts.com or mcmaster.com.

[Trappy]

right. sorry. didn't know you people still used imperial for everything. get with the times, man! :)

[man2000me]

Hey trappy. I'd we ordered the arms also does it come with those screws?

[Trappy]

well DJI just said they're not selling those to us - we're scouting for some to include on short notice and we're having some custom ones made right now. the custom ones won't make it here to pre-order, it usually takes about 6 weeks for them to arrive.

worst case they won't be black. but we will include some.

[man2000me]

Thank you sir.

[RUSH2112]

I just placed my order for the Discovery frame. I'm moving the gear from another spider frame over to this one, should be painless and quick. Can't wait to try it out! Already have the wiring done, so don't need the TBS core for this one, although I was half tempted to order one anyway and redo the wiring... just for kicks.

[filipinto]

I have been playing with the aerosim to develop some multicopter skills. What will bee the behaviour of this copter? its like a Gaui or more like microkopter?

[Trappy]

I just placed my order for the Discovery frame. I'm moving the gear from another spider frame over to this one, should be painless and quick. Can't wait to try it out! Already have the wiring done, so don't need the TBS core for this one, although I was half tempted to order one anyway and redo the wiring... just for kicks.
hehe the real benefit of the CORE is that you get a primitive OSD to boot ;)


I have been playing with the aerosim to develop some multicopter skills. What will bee the behaviour of this copter? its like a Gaui or more like microkopter?
I'd say more like a TRex 450 without 3D capability :) depends on the flight control though.

[Enthlapy]

Hey guys did i mention i really like this frame ?? Anywho those of you who are intrested in these Spyder frame comparisons I have ran across here you go: http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10932-fpv-quad-thoughts/


BTW I think i have some foam you maybe intrested in :) I will get you details when i ge back from my trip. Im leaving in like an hour or so should be back Mon. Maybe i get some nice videos of the discovery in action as i feel i sorted out majority of the bugs:P BTW anyone who still has thier deans/XT60 soldered on their plate, please do your self a favor and put a 1-2 inch wire then the deans.

[Trappy]

don't be shy on the details Enthlapy :) hoping you enjoy your trip. just ordered a bunch of very promising vibe-reducing materials that we may ship with the frame. well, the one that works anyway. the mounting option with the direct solder connection was a BETA idea, we quickly threw that one out the door and the final version is no longer like that ;)

PS: (**) is fixed, I think, in the final version. at least I haven't seen any props in view.

[kloner]

what do we gotta do to get the shield added to pre-orders? I want it all

[Trappy]

if you are ordering now the Option is available in the shop. If you already ordered we'll send out a mail a few days before we ship.

[Jackella]

hi,any info when the Discovery frame will be ready to ship?
thanks..

[Trappy]

all DISCOVERY orders are going to ship late first week of June, early 2nd week.

[TooSlow2Care]

Tim,
I know the metric stuff is difficult to find, especially M2.5 & M3 shoulder, socket cap hardware.

I use McMaster Carr for all of my prototyping gear, from hardware to billet aluminum and titanium.
They even had the elusive M3.5 hardware I needed for my Vario.
I hope that helps the search for similar hardware to the DJI gear.

Cheers,
Brian

[Enthlapy]

Trappy,

Sorry man, i needed a break from all things RC. The foam i used is from Home Depot ; its insulation rubberized foam (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100032845/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=rubber+foam&storeId=10051). Its great for low freq vibes but the Discovery suffers from low-mid freq vibes. I was trying to redo the front of the bottom plate using miniture version of : http://www.quadrocopter.us/downloads/cinestar6Manual-v7.pdf Pages 11 + However i just need to fly and stop dicking around with stuff. I feel that is going to be our ticket to solve the vibes out. I actually have this frame and the MK stuff for another couple of weeks, i will try to show you how effective the o rings are.

[Mechnan]

Can some body tell me what the hole distances for the motors on the DJI arms are?
THX :)

[Trappy]

Trappy,

Sorry man, i needed a break from all things RC. The foam i used is from Home Depot ; its insulation rubberized foam (http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100032845/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=rubber+foam&storeId=10051). Its great for low freq vibes but the Discovery suffers from low-mid freq vibes. I was trying to redo the front of the bottom plate using miniture version of : http://www.quadrocopter.us/downloads/cinestar6Manual-v7.pdf Pages 11 + However i just need to fly and stop dicking around with stuff. I feel that is going to be our ticket to solve the vibes out. I actually have this frame and the MK stuff for another couple of weeks, i will try to show you how effective the o rings are.
hehe ok. we were playing around with something similar, cured the vibrations spot on and you could fly it at mid speed but as soon as you did a "juz drop" the whole apparatus moved. we're playing around with aquagel now, hoping that's the cure :)


Can some body tell me what the hole distances for the motors on the DJI arms are?
THX :)
can't find the info, not at home right now so can't do measurements. anyone willing to chip in?

[bmallory]

Can some body tell me what the hole distances for the motors on the DJI arms are?
THX :)

i was told that you can put the sunnysky 2212 motors on the dji arms without having to drill new holes. the sunnysky motor is configured for rear mounting with 3mm threaded holes at the typical 16mm/19mm centers.

[Lifter]

Originally Posted by Mechnan
Can some body tell me what the hole distances for the motors on the DJI arms are?
THX


i was told that you can put the sunnysky 2212 motors on the dji arms without having to drill new holes. the sunnysky motor is configured for rear mounting with 3mm threaded holes at the typical 16mm/19mm centers.


"The DJI plastic arms only accommodate motors with a 19×16 mounting hole pattern, " is what i read....

[kloner]

if you have a mill or drill press with a vise you could move,notch the holes open further but stock is 16x19. I've been running 19x19 motors with 2 bolts for months, crashed alot, no sign of it being a problem

[Trappy]

same here

[Enthlapy]

hehe ok. we were playing around with something similar, cured the vibrations spot on and you could fly it at mid speed but as soon as you did a "juz drop" the whole apparatus moved. we're playing around with aquagel now, hoping that's the cure :)


can't find the info, not at home right now so can't do measurements. anyone willing to chip in?

LOL Dave made :

http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10954-1080p-30fps-jello/page__p__85455#entry85455

The whole thing moves too but check out: @ 4:58



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uksln8vKO8g&t=4m58s

Thats on HT-FPV with that jello thing using GoPro 1080 setting. It works :)

[Trappy]

we've been secretly joking about the earplug damper ever since we saw it on RCSchim's blog. Having said that, Karma would dictate that's the only good solution :)

[bmallory]

I actually tried the earplug thing and I have to say that the results were pretty good ! I eventually ditched the thing because the mount I made was way too messy...

[filipinto]

Have You tryed with orings? Maybe creating a floating base between the 2 plates.
Have a look at my hexa frame that I did a while back
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1388129

Just send me my Discovery and I will figure something out:cool:

[Trappy]

haha - coming very soon :)

[filipinto]

Yeah. That's very good news :)

[philippe]

Hi Trappy,
Starting to boil waiting for my frame. Are they already at post office :-)

[Trappy]

shipping is next week guys, please remain calm. The more I have to answer these messages, the longer it will take ;)

[Kenny9999]

Hey Trappy

Any ETA of the frame shipping...


Kidding :)

[chad2323]

Just curios where are the frames being shipped from?

[Trappy]

secret moon base :)

[FPV FLYER]

ROFL

[Flying Monkey]

I hear Mars is the new China! Really cheap labor... "Those stupid Martians trade whole planet for worthless bead!"

[FPV FLYER]

Man that guy flying the quad on the first post knows how to fly!
LOL!
I can't wait to get my TBS quad!! :)

[lindaLONGRANGE]

hii:) really nice quad Trappy, is it possible to ship it to europe?

[Kenny9999]

Lol

no, he ship only on the moon!

[Flying Monkey]

hii:) really nice quad Trappy, is it possible to ship it to europe?

I believe Trappy lives in Austria... I think he could throw it to Berlin! He'll probably just tape the plates to his ZII, fly it over to you and you just relaunch it with a fresh set of batteries so he can make it home... TbsExpress!

[Trappy]

no, he ship only on the moon!
Not true. But customs are a bitch :)


Man that guy flying the quad on the first post knows how to fly!

yeah and I heard he's really handsome :)

[syscons]

yeah and I heard he's really handsome

sooo...the next frames are gonna be pink or rainbow Design....?!

[FPV FLYER]

LOL, you wish!

[ssassen]

TBSexpress? I'll take a pepperoni with extra cheese and some onions on the side please! :D

[bubuu]

TBSexpress? I'll take a pepperoni with extra cheese and some onions on the side please! :D
Team Black Sexpress? I don't really want to know about that pepperoni thing then... :)

[Flying Monkey]

Team Black Sexpress? I don't really want to know about that pepperoni thing then... :)

Flown with a TBS 69 camera. Flown UHF (Under Her Frock).

[Enthlapy]

Not my best flying, still tuning as it is not as agile as i would like.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-g0pDUIEZ0

[lindaLONGRANGE]

Not my best flying, still tuning as it is not as agile as i would like.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-g0pDUIEZ0


Hi wow smooth flown:) what motors do you use?

Do you think robbe roxxy 2824-34 motors on 3s have
enough Power ?

[plingboot]

Trappy, any more news on shipping dates?

[Trappy]

Ok, some news from the TBS DISCOVERY shipping sweatshop: I spent 2 days packing, and it's still not looking like I can manage to ship the first orders today. The problem is in order to get everything going and save time later on, I'm preparing all copters we have on stock for shipping. This means packing the small parts, packing individual arms, flight controls, soldering COREs, etc. So as it looks we will have all orders ready to ship by Sunday evening, which means they will go out Monday and Tuesday (there is no way we can ship all in one day unless we hire a truck).

Sorry for the delay, guys, the TBS DISCOVERY has exceeded all expectations in terms of demand by a factor of 10, so we're working very hard to catch up and also be prepared for shipments in future. As far as I can tell, we should be able to ship next day starting Monday.

[Enthlapy]

>>>Hi wow smooth flown:) what motors do you use?

>>>Do you think robbe roxxy 2824-34 motors on 3s have
enough Power ?


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16229__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30A_750kv_140w.h tml


I dont think youll be satisfied with them on this frame. This badboy is heavy.

[Flying Monkey]

Enthlapy,

I tested the NTM 750kv 140w motor on my test stand and got the following results...

NTM 140w --- Voltage - Amps - Wattage - Thrust - Amps @ 10oz Thrust - 1 oz thrust = watts
Gem 10x4.7 --- 12 ------11.4 --- 137.3 ------ 28 ------- 4.5 ------------------------ 4.9
Gem 11x4.7 ---11.88 -- 13.5 --- 160.6 ------- 33.4 ----- 4.2 ----------------------- 4.8
apc 10x4.7 SF - 11.91 - 11.3 --- 135.2 ------- 28.1 ----- 4.2 ----------------------- 4.8
-------------------- 4s -------------------
APC 10x4.7 ----- 16.06 --- 17----- 273.1 ----- 42.5
Gemfan 10x4.7 - 15.97 --- 15.6 -- 249.1 ----- 41.1

As you can see the performance on 3s is a bit lackluster, but on 4s it rocks! Pretty efficient and the quality is good, durable. Really liking this motor!

[hugy]

Will I also get my beta version we talked about via email?