TBS DISCOVERY - New quadrocopter frame

[Trappy]

Enthlapy, just say your video she's banging! please upload some photos of the beauty :)

hugy, send me an e-mail.

[Enthlapy]

I'll upload some here after work, btw i have HD 1080 jello free footage of it in action you can have. (Its the live feed i posted earlier)

[Enthlapy]

>>As you can see the performance on 3s is a bit lackluster, but on 4s it rocks! Pretty efficient and the quality is good, durable. Really liking this motor!

I too like this motor, the only problem is i cant get the damn things to work with Simon's firmware on F-30A, there are rumers that the WII-ESC might work with slight timing adjustment. However i do not know enough about the firmware. Going to be testing after this weekends adventure. Or try the Rc-timer 750KV.


I also want to get my hands on Grapner props, i hear they are ultra smooth.

[Enthlapy]

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[Trappy]

very nice Enthlapy! my camera mount looks a lot more sexy than yours though :)

[Enthlapy]

Does it do 1080 jello free :)

[Trappy]

yup :)

[lindaLONGRANGE]

Nice built Enthlapy!:)

..are this Earplugs?? really good idea

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo329/enthlapy/IMG_5215.jpg

[Flying Monkey]

I too like this motor, the only problem is i cant get the damn things to work with Simon's firmware on F-30A,

I also want to get my hands on Grapner props, i hear they are ultra smooth.

Crap, seriously? I just ordered 3 more of those motors and 4 new Hobby King 20A's that I was going to flash to simonk's firmware! Well, I'll test it on a single motor first.

I'd really like to test graupner props as well. Almost ordered some today but between the prop $7, the adapter ring $2 and $14 for shipping... Well, I was just going to order 1 to test on the thrust stand, or 3 to test on the tricopter... but too much damn money... ordered 14 apc props for the same price as 3 graupners!

[Enthlapy]

Crap, seriously? I just ordered 3 more of those motors and 4 new Hobby King 20A's that I was going to flash to simonk's firmware! Well, I'll test it on a single motor first.

I'd really like to test graupner props as well. Almost ordered some today but between the prop $7, the adapter ring $2 and $14 for shipping... Well, I was just going to order 1 to test on the thrust stand, or 3 to test on the tricopter... but too much damn money... ordered 14 apc props for the same price as 3 graupners!

If you have some TGY.Hex ESC's they might seem to work but anythiung BS_NFET.HEx wont :( Thats why i havnt tried graupners yet, i've been going through alot of APC already LMAO.

[Enthlapy]

Nice built Enthlapy!:)

..are this Earplugs?? really good idea

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo329/enthlapy/IMG_5215.jpg


Not my idea ;( My buddy Dave thought of it, then turns out some one else thought of it before him :) It works really really well. This is Dave;s HT-FPV before he sold it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1narPva72zs


Im uploading the HD version on the earlier flight.

[Enthlapy]

yup :)

Sharing is careing ??? Does your buddy get jello in that servo city tilt?

[Flying Monkey]

If you have some TGY.Hex ESC's they might seem to work but anythiung BS_NFET.HEx wont

You just jumped past my current knowledge base... No idea what you're talking about, lol! I picked those esc's because its what David chose to flash and use in his new quad

http://www.rcexplorer.se/files/rcequad54.jpg

http://www.rcexplorer.se/projects/Quadrone/Quadrone.html

I use gemfans for all my early testing... ($2 for 10x4.7) then up to apc. :)

[Enthlapy]

Do you have some RC-Timer ESC's? Those are TGY.HEX, the F-30A / F-20A are BS_NFET.Hex and those are the ones that give you issues with the posted motors. Honeslty it might be a good idea to read up on it some, as that stuff can get a little messy:)

[Enthlapy]

I stopped following people, way too much bad advice or they let the quad fly them.

[Enthlapy]

I HATE HATE GemFan, I broke more of those tuning/putting them on. Im actaully going to try some GAUI atm, the 8" go through hell and back and i've only bought 2 sets within the last 3 months :) Dont want to speak for the other guys but they love them too.

[Enthlapy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSVXHK1FyQA

[lindaLONGRANGE]

I HATE HATE GemFan, I broke more of those tuning/putting them on. Im actaully going to try some GAUI atm, the 8" go through hell and back and i've only bought 2 sets within the last 3 months :) Dont want to speak for the other guys but they love them too.

Huhu hi Enthlapy:) yes the Gaui are not bad, did
you testet Graupner e prop 11x5? Think thats the
Best Propeller:) maybe bit expensive :s but perfect concentricity and you can
trim your hedge with this Propeller hihi. :)

[Flying Monkey]

Do you have some RC-Timer ESC's? Those are TGY.HEX, the F-30A / F-20A are BS_NFET.Hex and those are the ones that give you issues with the posted motors. Honeslty it might be a good idea to read up on it some, as that stuff can get a little messy:)

Yeah, reflashing esc's is my new research project. Been reading the 300 page long thread on rcg and trying to soak it in. Once I have a grip on it I'll start a tutorial thread here so people don't have to go to rcg... lol. I thought the .hex were the firmware files? Well, even if I can't get these flashed esc's to work with the ntm's I've got another quad and tricopter they can go on. Then get rc-timer's.

[Enthlapy]

Huhu hi Enthlapy:) yes the Gaui are not bad, did
you testet Graupner e prop 11x5? Think thats the
Best Propeller:) maybe bit expensive :s but perfect concentricity and you can
trim your hedge with this Propeller hihi. :)

I will be trying Graupner in the very near future.

[Enthlapy]

Yeah, reflashing esc's is my new research project. Been reading the 300 page long thread on rcg and trying to soak it in. Once I have a grip on it I'll start a tutorial thread here so people don't have to go to rcg... lol. I thought the .hex were the firmware files? Well, even if I can't get these flashed esc's to work with the ntm's I've got another quad and tricopter they can go on. Then get rc-timer's.

LOL best of luck with RCG, here are some easier to read places:

http://wiki.openpilot.org/display/Doc/RapidESCs

https://github.com/sim-/tgy/blob/master/README.md




JUST A FYI - New HKSS series are no longer flash able the easy way and thereare reports of the same issue with some of the Redbrick line as well.

[Trappy]

we managed to get it right with the green anti vibration gel pads from vibrationmounts.com - we didn't balance the props though and there is very little jello from time to time. I just put some stock graupners on my MT4006 and went out flying with some standard gel bricks you can buy from the copter shops ... result is usable but definitely not perfect. I think they are too fat, I will skin them down some and then try again.

[Trappy]

TBS DISCOVERY video uploading. 1080p30 for all you vibration-nazis :) enjoy!

[Trappy]

there, it's up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCI1cIc2qRY

I now return to packing your orders ... :)

[Flying Monkey]

Awesome! Fricken love the swarm of TBS quads and air-to-air shots!!!

[timnilson]

Nice video Raphael!! You fly your quad like you fly your Zeph. Very nice.

[speedstep]

there, it's up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCI1cIc2qRY

I now return to packing your orders ... :)

Very nice video ;). Can't wait to get my 2 TBS Discovery's!

Which fc were you guys flying? It's the cc isn't it?

[Trappy]

speedstep, this was all Naza, most of it in Attitude mode too. I will need to tune my frame, it was flown on stock settings and sometimes I was fighting the quad more than the fact I really suck at quadcopters. LOL.

Thanks Tim and Flying Monkey. Flying like a Zeph is a habit that is hard to get rid of, lol.

[speedstep]

speedstep, this was all Naza, most of it in Attitude mode too. I will need to tune my frame, it was flown on stock settings and sometimes I was fighting the quad more than the fact I really suck at quadcopters. LOL.

Thanks Tim and Flying Monkey. Flying like a Zeph is a habit that is hard to get rid of, lol.

Glad to hear that! Fly Naza now with the DJI hex... But the TBS Quad looks much more agile...
I'm not good yet ... but the Naza makes it quite easy for me.
Your flying looks really good, didn't expect it's Naza...
But yeah you evolved the Z - Gen :D

[filipinto]

After this video it's going to be hard to pass the days until I get mine!
Great video!!!

[FPVdude]

Wow! great video! Too bad about the gopro in the grass, did you find it?

[Trappy]

Glad to hear that! Fly Naza now with the DJI hex... But the TBS Quad looks much more agile...
I'm not good yet ... but the Naza makes it quite easy for me.
Your flying looks really good, didn't expect it's Naza...
But yeah you evolved the Z - Gen :D
I'm very happy with the Naza. It's incredibly easy to tune. 3 flights with 2 parameters each on the sliders is all it takes. Flown with the Wii and the KK before, the Naza is the easiest to use for sure.


After this video it's going to be hard to pass the days until I get mine!
Great video!!!
Won't be long now ... :)


Wow! great video! Too bad about the gopro in the grass, did you find it?
thanks. yeah I found the GoPro. A small piece of metal got sucked into the motors and it randomly blocked it. the quad fell out of the sky from 50+ meters, spent 30+ mins looking for it ... :)

[Iceman]

Trappy, dont be slacking ..get packing! TBS discovery is looking good. When your done dont be shy to share those Naza settings. I find my Naza is very much a love hate relationship.

looking forward to seeing mine.

Ice

[Trappy]

I'm flying with the MT4006's on Graupner props. My "autopilot" settings are 150/155/120/100 and 125/125.

[bmallory]

Just received a shipment notification. It's coming !

[filipinto]

cheking my mail every 5 min. no notification :( yet.

[ssassen]

Nothing here either :D

[chad2323]

Received mine

[hagay]

I no longer have nails to bite waiting for my frame, also received nothing ):

[Jackella]

do we get email notification if sent?

[Kenny9999]

received mine! :)

[hagay]

Just received email notification from Trappy "Your order has been handed over to our shipment courier"
yippee

[Kenny9999]

Damn, apparently, it's a hoax from Trappy...

NOT!

[filipinto]

I´m felling a bit like the fat boy of class :(

[lindaLONGRANGE]

I´m felling a bit like the fat boy of class :(

ohh :) hihi .. im sure you all get your Discovery's next
few days:)

[kloner]

i just got my notice but never got asked if i wanted the shield for the core like promised......

[philippe]

Yessssss ! Received mine. Youhouuuuuuuu...

[Trappy]

kloner, PM me your name and I'll throw one in. Quick!

To those that haven't received the shipping notifications yet: DJI has been slacking, we're waiting for the Nazas. Also, we ran out of TBS CORE and TBS 69 sometime while packing the 2nd batch of orders. RiSCyD is preparing some more COREs and we are going to ship a few more this weekend in the same order that we received the payments, so it will be nice and fair.

I hope we can ship out all TBS DISCOVERY's, there is a huge batch of COREs coming end of month so that's the worst case scenario. TBS69 and DJI have been promised for this week. Please keep in mind we are well into 3-digit orders & shipments. We had one employee at the post office come in today just for TBS orders. The kind of support you guys are giving us is amazing and we're trying very hard not to let you down ... but it's just a little bit out of our league to have these amounts on stock. Anyways, I think all things considered it has been going pretty well. Every DISCOVERY order that is on its way has received a shipping notification e-mail. Hope you enjoy!

[hugy]

Trappy still have to get your paypall adres. Can you pm me?

[Trappy]

kloner, you're from lakeside, CA, right? I chased down your package and threw in a shield. Send me the money to my PayPal please.

[Jackella]

can i cancel mine Trappy if its not been sent? PM sent

[Trappy]

money refunded & order cancelled.

[Jackella]

Thanks Trappy...

[wiggysk]

kloner, PM me your name and I'll throw one in. Quick!

To those that haven't received the shipping notifications yet: DJI has been slacking, we're waiting for the Nazas. Also, we ran out of TBS CORE and TBS 69 sometime while packing the 2nd batch of orders. RiSCyD is preparing some more COREs and we are going to ship a few more this weekend in the same order that we received the payments, so it will be nice and fair.

I hope we can ship out all TBS DISCOVERY's, there is a huge batch of COREs coming end of month so that's the worst case scenario. TBS69 and DJI have been promised for this week. Please keep in mind we are well into 3-digit orders & shipments. We had one employee at the post office come in today just for TBS orders. The kind of support you guys are giving us is amazing and we're trying very hard not to let you down ... but it's just a little bit out of our league to have these amounts on stock. Anyways, I think all things considered it has been going pretty well. Every DISCOVERY order that is on its way has received a shipping notification e-mail. Hope you enjoy!


Trappy please tell me mine has gone . i ordered tbs core + tbs 69 + shield and some other gear, sent to the uk

[kloner]

kloner, you're from lakeside, CA, right? I chased down your package and threw in a shield. Send me the money to my PayPal please.

yes that was me, $14 right?

[plingboot]

:-(

ordered early but no notification yet…

[Trappy]

yes that was me, $14 right?

correct. I'll PM you the paypal.

[Trappy]

:-(

ordered early but no notification yet…

sorry man, your order is missing the TBS69. shipping for your order is scheduled next monday :(

[ssassen]

Got a shipping notice :D

[Trappy]

yeah I sent yours without the CORE though ;)

[Enthlapy]

Trappy do you have extra light weight spacers?

[Trappy]

yeah sure. weren't you supposted to order a new frame anyhow? :) it's tuesday ... ;)

[Enthlapy]

Yea ;( i forgot got a couple more motors coming in to spice up the Discovery and something else, check your skype :P Im tapped out for a couple weeks.

[zozolione]

no email, uuuuuaaaaaahhh...:eek:?

[filipinto]

Ok. Just realized i´m the fat boy of the class :( sniff sniff

Oh well... BUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH i´m ok i´m ok

Ok Trappy for real. A few questions regarding the rest of stuff i will need to put on this baby on air.

1- I will be using EZUHF diversity. I see in some of your pictures that you dont´t use any wires to connect the EZUHF to the board. Do i need t get some kind of adapter plugs? do you provide those?

2- I also got here 4 x MT4006 from http://www.multirotor.co, it was for a quad project i was going to built but i decided to get the DISCOVERY. These are the motors you use right?
How these compare to the flameweels that comes with the kit i ordered? Better choice ? Can i use the ESC´s from the kit with these motors?

3- You are using Graupner E-props right? What size? I remember using these in my Hexa, and they would suck the life of my batteries much faster and with less lift than the APC E-props. Have you tried the APC?

4- Gopro anti vibe mount. I see that you solved the vibration problem ;). Are shipping that with the kit? Is that an extra? I would like to have that if possible, i really need that for that project i told you http://boomfestival.org/boom2012/

Regarding the 3 digit order list... :O What can i say... Man you are on you way! Congrats. I ordered mine on 18th of May, so i must bee one of the first 50 I think ??? I hope.

Sorry for all the questions, i just want to have everything ready

[Trappy]

Enthlapy, will check my skype in 2 days.

filipinto,

1) the adapter for the EzUHF connection is supplied. If you have enough cables, though, I suggest doing it with very short cables going from the rear of the plate up to the Rx. It's just so much safer in a crash.

2) I fly the MT4006 with the E-Props 10x5 and the 30A ESCs from DJI. They are ok, but not very powerfull (too small prop). I am happy with them, though.

3) Never tried the APC. You would need to compare these.

4) Your best bet is to go to vibrationmounts.com and get the green gel pads. We haven't really found a "commercial" solution yet.

http://vibrationmounts.com/Store.asp?Page=Products8.htm
V10Z62MSN05

We used half of such a gel pad for the video. This is the "1080p jello-free" version. If you just need 720p any kind of foam or gel solution probably works. Oh, and also please balance your props ... we haven't done that yet :)

[filipinto]

Thank you. :)

[RUSH2112]

Trappy,

The product number you posted is for a blue gel pad with bumps sticking off of it. Is that correct? You called it green.

http://vibrationmounts.com/RFQ/Images/Images8/V10Z62MSN02_iso.jpg

I was excited to get the notice that my discovery shipped. Can't wait to get it flying. Thanks.

Todd

[Trappy]

no if you look at the product description the color is stated as green. the blue one is just the photo.

[RUSH2112]

Got it. Thanks. Holy crap those things are expensive! $85 for a gel pad?

[ramboky]

Got it. Thanks. Holy crap those things are expensive! $85 for a gel pad?

I'm planning on trying these Align Gyro Gel Pads (http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/61_179/products_id/33681/n/Align-PU-Adhesive-Gel) unless someone has already? They're around $10.

[Enthlapy]

Don think it will work, this quad suffers from lower freq vibes than whatthose gels are made for, but i maybe wrong.



I got some new motors to test on Discovery. So far looks promising, will reportafter weekend full blown tests :) (These will appeal to us Froogle shoppers)

[Trappy]

Enthlapy, the green one is made for the lower vibes. We had a sales rep there calculate it. The blue one isn't working. Keep us posted on the motors !

[Trappy]

Got it. Thanks. Holy crap those things are expensive! $85 for a gel pad?

yeah it's high tech stuff. like I said, if you're after vibe-free 720p stuff all you need is balanced props and a bit of foam from the household. Rensen even had luck with just double-sided tape. If you want full-blown vibration-free image in any flight situation, you'll need some of the high tech aquagel stuff.

[sveininge]

Trappy Is it possible to get a shot of the Green vibration gel ?

I ordered a discovery frame and iam going to use Avroto motors on it.

[Trappy]

11731

here you go. quick & dirty as always, used in the TBS DISCOVERY video so it works as advertised.

[sveininge]

thanx trappy :)

I really look forward to step up my game in FPV :)

Here is my last movie, tricopter with a KK kontroller,


https://vimeo.com/44235363

[Trappy]

just be careful, I stepped up my FPV quad game a little too fast yesterday. Completely confused the Naza trying to be like Juz until it said "**** you, trappy, get OpenPilot" and decided to nosedive into a forest from 1000+ meters AGL. 30+ seconds of free fall. I'm going to look for it on Friday, very interesting to see how a 1000m drop translates to damage on the frame. Right now it's raining like crazy up there, too dangerous for a recovery.

Will look at the video once I get off work :)

[kloner]

nice gel pad, i'll have to get one of them

Trappy, did ya see naza is suppose to enable a ppm input soon? Will it change anything on how we wire it up other than just use the one signal wire?

NAZA has some quirks, some are worse than others. When is cc3d suppose to be available?

[Trappy]

ppm will only simpify the wiring. hoping they get that done soon, we're having some custom cables made in the meantime. soldering the RX to the board directly is not good, it kills the receiver on a hard crash.

no idea when CC3D is supposed to be available. I know I'm going to kill for one very soon, so better not disclose if you have one :)

[sveininge]

takning a quad up to 1000 meters is crazy high :) ive been up at 500 meters with my tricopter.. let´s hope the memorycard did stay in place so the rekording is ok :)

iam going to use a NAZA on my discovery frame, do you think openpilot is better ? its hard to get hands on a open pilot, but you may know some more ppl in the fpv scene :)

i did order the silicone mats btw :) just waiting for everything to arrive.

[Trappy]

ok, cool. vibrationmounts are excellent company btw. if it doesn't work I'm sure you can trade it in, etc. I was on the phone with the lady for about 30 minutes and she recommended / calculated these mats for me from the RPM of the motors, etc.

I think the Naza is really cool, you just need to know how to fly with it - which I didn't. It is also a bit too "supportive" for me, it makes flying very easy but what I want is a helicopter-like experience ... I push forward, the thing moves until I push back. With the Naza you have to continuously push forward. I'm the impatient kind, so I pushed forward and the naza was trying to correct ... then I pushed full forward just out of spite, trying to get the damn thing to do a drop. The fact that I was in altitude-mode didn't help, I guess. Suddenly you could just feel it give up. It did a left bank, camera pointing out sideways, then it started a corkscrew of death.

[Flying Monkey]

soldering the RX to the board directly is not good, it kills the receiver on a hard crash.

no idea when CC3D is supposed to be available. I know I'm going to kill for one very soon, so better not disclose if you have one :)

I had a bad feeling about that... Do you think soldering the Rx to the bottom of the upper plate (inside the frame) would be safer? Or does the stress from a crash tweak it?

Trappy, I have a CC board you can buy... Or trade... Barely used. PM me if interested.

[man2000me]

My Naza does that also with the HT-FPV. If I get to fast forward the front right drops out.

[Trappy]

thanks Flying Monkey, I need to collect the paycheck first and pay my rent. Besides, I'm looking for a CC3D with the Enthlaypy-tuned parameters :)

never had the issue during regular flight, only happened when I pushed it to the limits in Altitude mode. There was a video of a guy who shall not be named doing a dive down a mountain with the Naza in manual mode. So it can be made to work ... it's just a PITA to figure out that way.

[Traveller]

Hey flying monkey, if trappy doesn't want your CC i would be interested in it!

Regards

Fer

[Iceman]

Yep Naza is quirky in attitude mode. Push Push Push then you get that crappy pitch up just when you dont need it.

Did you try switching the TX off so it went failsafe and leveled out... or did you just enjoy the view. LOL

[sveininge]

In my 2.5 years experiense with multirotor I have flown with the KK board, the first one we buildt ourself with some guidence from Rolf bakke him self.
I really like the KK, and it will give you the Heli experience.

So I am totally new to Naza is it realy a bitch to fly compared to KK ?

[Trappy]

the altitude mode takes some getting used to. the manual mode is "helicopter mode". Unfortunately I kept forgetting to switch the modes. I was flying up the mountain through the trees where altitude mode is really cool to be honest. just when you're trying to descend at juz-like speeds, you'll find manual mode to be much better.

[Iceman]

IMHO a well set KK board is not far off the mark providing you can actually fly a Helicopter well. Trouble is KK doesnt have a Get out of jail failsafe like a Naza.

[sveininge]

i hope the DIscovery frame with the NAZA will track better than my tricopter with KK :). I often get into trouble in high speed and very narrow spaces :)
high speed= the fast as the tri go without frontflipping hehehe..

[Chukmil]

Trappy, Have all pre-order Discovery frames shipped?

[Trappy]

all the plate and plate + arm orders have been shipped. we are waiting for DJI parts to ship the RTF kit and Naza orders, as well as waiting for COREs to ship orders containing COREs. We will do about 20 orders this weekend with COREs, and will send another 20-30 orders next week containing the Naza's and more CORE orders.

[RTRyder]

How about an order with a TBS DISCOVERY and TBS CORE + TBS 69 ?

I'm on vacation the week of July 2nd, it would be great to have the Discovery finished by then, if not I can just fly it as the standard F450 it's setup as now.

[Trappy]

RTRyder, depends when you ordered. All orders made before 18th of May without DJI Naza / RTF flamewheel will be shipped next Monday. We will make another batch of shipments Friday after that. All other orders will be delivered a week later.

[RTRyder]

Hmmm... ordered June 5th, looks like its going to be a while... :(

[Trappy]

yeah. sorry man :( we got caught way off guard on these orders ... if you'd like to have it shipped without the CORE first let me know, I'd need to charge you on shipping for the CORE shipment later, though.

[RTRyder]

yeah. sorry man :( we got caught way off guard on these orders ... if you'd like to have it shipped without the CORE first let me know, I'd need to charge you on shipping for the CORE shipment later, though.

Thanks but I'll wait. I've got 3 FPV quads flying at the moment, the stock F450 being one of them. I'd rather build it once than have to take most of it apart again later to install the core, not like I'm waiting on the parts to be able to fly! :)

[Iceman]

Trappy, looking to add a shield to my pre-order if thats ok. (Think Kloner mentioned you weren't sending out an e-mail in advance anymore)

Going by the above my TBS Disco order should be due getting packed this weekend.

Ice

[Trappy]

yeah sorry I hardly catch any sleep without the tin shields already :) shoot me a mail if you want one added to your order, I'll need either the order number or your real name. I'll give you the PayPal address in reply.

[Iceman]

PM sent

[Skymotion]

received mine yesterday...looks very promising.
But I didn't find the Vibration-damping tape for GoPro and VTx and the Rubber Band for GoPro installation.
Only spacers and crews :-(

Cheers
JM

[sveininge]

i Did order some of the Green Silcone mat :) 93 usd include shipping, not cheap at all so lets hope its working :)

[Traveller]

Hey Trappy, I received mine today... looking great!
the only thing is that i had orderd 2 from you and have only received one :(

If you need me to pm you the emails we sent to each other i will...

Fer

Ps: as skymotion, i haven't also received the vib-damping tap and rubber band....
and my free battery strap (see post #127 ;) )

[henry]

Hi Guys anyone of you can mesure where his CG is ?? I mean TBS one of course ;-)

[Trappy]

the CG is painted at the bottom. henry, you have the prototype, so just make sure if you accelerate it doesn't bend backwards.

The vibration damping tape was not included, sorry guys, we would have had to wait another 2 weeks for 3M to get it to us :( use any rubber band and any kind of damping material (foam, gel, etc). for 1080 the foam tape would not have been sufficient in most cases :(

[Trappy]

Fer, put another order in on our website, I'll ship it out Monday. Sorry about that.

[Traveller]

No worrie's Trappy! i will do that!
only one question how do i bypass the payment stage?

[Trappy]

just don't go to the paypal stage. or select bank wire as payment option. any way works :)

[Traveller]

Okay just placed the order! thanks!

Fer

[bmallory]

hey look what I found in the mail today !
http://pix.gloob.eu/images/midthumb_1340439012DSC03804.JPG (http://pix.gloob.eu/images/1340439012DSC03804.JPG)

unfortunately, I won't have the time to build it until monday evening:(

[filipinto]

11794 you can put the notification in My empty plate pleaseeeeee

[Trappy]

poor guy, he's gonna starve anytime now :)

[Traveller]

So the build has begun :D

11796

[Enthlapy]

So the build has begun :D

11796


IF you have a CC and those are newer SiLab Plush esc's NTM Prop 750Kv motors, i can share my settings on monday.

[Trappy]

Fer, that looks like a pretty sweet set of components. are you doing a build log that I can follow or will you post pictures here?

[Traveller]

IF you have a CC and those are newer SiLab Plush esc's NTM Prop 750Kv motors, i can share my settings on monday.

At the moment my CC is in my FPVmanual PD tri "Dragonfly" rebuild (will post a build thread later on)
But i'm waiting on a new CC (Thanks Flying monkey!!! :D) for the Disco.
The NTM's are the 1200's and will be running APC 8 x 3.8 prop's on 4s.
about your question over the Plush esc's, to be honest i'm knot sure if they are the newer SiLab model 30 Amp's. how can find this out??

Fer

[Traveller]

Fer, that looks like a pretty sweet set of components. are you doing a build log that I can follow or will you post pictures here?

I do want to do a build thread!

I'll post the link later on tonight if i get a chance!

Fer

[Traveller]

Okay, been busy today with the build and the build thread.

Here it is: http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?6492-Traveller-s-Disco-adventure&p=111514#post111514

If you guy's have any advice of tips pleas let me know!

[Garbach]

Damnit....that is the downside of living in New Zealand... stuf takes ages to get here!!!

[Trappy]

Damnit....that is the downside of living in New Zealand... stuf takes ages to get here!!!
on the upside, once you have it, you've got a pretty nice place to fly in :)

---

German build log for those interested:
http://fpv-community.de/showthread.php?11950-TBS-DISCOVERY-Quad-Frame

---

Enthlapy (TWL) has discovered a pretty sweet motor/ESC combo for the discovery that is apparently very snappy on just 2200mAh 4S with 7min flight time. It's the perfect setup to do the kind of flying we like: adrenaline-packed. He's a very busy man and hard to reach, but he promised me some details very soon :)

[Chukmil]

Ready to build a Discovery!

[Trappy]

omg Chuckmill what's that contraption on the left? :) and did I already mention I'm jealous about your FC? :)

[FPV FLYER]

Make sure to put your build threads on RCgroups :)

[Garbach]

on the upside, once you have it, you've got a pretty nice place to fly in :)



True true, and just started to explore it. Just some raw footage slapped together of the east coast.


http://vimeo.com/44708359

Still very much learning to fly the quad and after the beach part is the FPV maiden of the Flamewheel F450.. soon to be canibalised to become the new and improved TBS discovery.

Funny enought the DJI 10 x 5 props give me a lot less jello then the graupner E-props. All footage was shot in R5 (1080p) Shall try the R4 mode and see what the difference is.

My kit has been shipped so looking forward to building it!!

[kev.au]

Make sure to put your build threads on RCgroups :)


hahaha good job.

[Chukmil]

omg Chuckmill what's that contraption on the left? :) and did I already mention I'm jealous about your FC? :)

Lol..well that contraption is how I "modularized" my FPV gear. It allows me to move my FPV gear from one quad to another in a few seconds, attached with some velcro and rubberbands. 1 module holds the OSD, VTX & GPS the other holds the curent sensor, V lipo & camera, connected together with all the wires in a cable sleeve.
Of course this setup is not optimized for the Discovery frame but I will use it for testing until I add a permanent FPV system to the frame.

[semonino]

hy trappy
have send me the frame please?
my name is semonin olivier in France
thanks a lot

[Dallibab]

I had a quick go in the garden today, Mistake im too crap !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sonXE02xcco

[bubuu]

Dallibab, you should stop using Toilet Paper in the Corner of your Garden 0:55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sonXE02xcco#t=58s) ;)

[Dallibab]

:) I covered the table in news paper to spray a wing and it rained and im lazy !!

[Badlands]

I had a quick go in the garden today, Mistake im too crap !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sonXE02xcco

fs John - you can fly better than that?

Haha... (jk) im guessing that was LOS? 1st one in the uk m8 - get it FPV'd!

:-)

[Traveller]

Nice flight Dallibab!

What setup are you using?

If any one is interested, I just updated my TBS Discovery build log:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?6492-Traveller-s-Disco-adventure&p=112159#post112159

[Dallibab]

The first bit wasnt !! not all as good as you :)

[Badlands]

The first bit wasnt !! not all as good as you :)

Get some picture up too John...

:-)

[Dallibab]

Get some picture up too John...

:-)

Here you go Martin, still needs tuning I need to get over to openpilot and ask them guys as the cc board is a bugger to set up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOSyiQDl0I
:)

2826 1200kv motors
30 amp flashed esc's
TBS core
apc 10x475 props
1.3 vid with Hugo's fan
DL rx needs to be properly secured but I have no sticky pads at the mo.

Quick question for Trappy, if using the core where would I put a LC filter ? getting some lines in the vid. ?

Thanks

John

[Traveller]

what are you having problems with?

Are you flying in rate mode or stab?

[Enthlapy]

Here you go Martin, still needs tuning I need to get over to openpilot and ask them guys as the cc board is a bugger to set up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOSyiQDl0I
:)

2826 1200kv motors
30 amp flashed esc's
TBS core
apc 10x475 props
1.3 vid with Hugo's fan
DL rx needs to be properly secured but I have no sticky pads at the mo.

Quick question for Trappy, if using the core where would I put a LC filter ? getting some lines in the vid. ?

Thanks

John



Your yaw rate is a bit higher, your gonna need to turn it down a hair due to the frame being asymetrical. When i get time today ill post all my details up.

[Dallibab]

Thankyou :)

[Mechnan]

Ordered :)
Just wondering: will it come with screws?

Cheers

Edit: Sorry just saw it. Thanks Trappy :)

[Trappy]

wooohoo Dallibab, don't fly it in the garden man your open space vid is so much better :) If you're using the CORE and you're getting lines in the video a LC filter won't help. You're probably getting vibrations to the VTx. Try wrapping it in some foam. Other than that, what's the verdict?

[semonino]

hy trappy
have send me the frame please?
my name is semonin olivier in France
thanks a lot

[Trappy]

semonino, TBS CORE is missing on your order will take 2 weeks.

[Dallibab]

Was working from home and it was calling me :)
I'll try dampening the vtx. Cheers.
Seems all good to me but I'm pretty new to quads. Pretty robust !! And the core/soldering to the board makes it really easy to put together. And it looks real cool!!

[Enthlapy]

current setup with UAV files and SS

http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/10613-tbs-discovery-beta-build-log/page__st__160#entry95888

[Trappy]

TBS CORE BACKLOG NOTICE:
The TBS CORE will not be in stock for another 2 weeks. Since I'm basically spending half my day answering mails about expected shipping date, here's a very detailed timeline and options.

The TBS CORE will be back in stock July 8th - 10th (depending how fast FedEx is). After that we will begin shipping immediately. Immediately in electronics engineering terms means about 2 days, as we have to test, flash and package the TBS COREs. This puts the shipping time to approximately 12th to 14th July.

If you would like to get your order shipped out without the CORE before hand, the ONLY way to get this done is through our contact form on our website. Let us know the name on your order.
* For those of you that have selected the "install on quad" option, the separate shipping is free of charge.
* If you have ordered the CORE bundle only, the extra shipping is $10 flat fee worldwide shipping.

We will ship out all those orders on Monday, July 2nd. This is the only date at which we will do early shipping, as we are away on a project from July 4th to July 8th, and after that the TBS CORE are expected to arrive.

Thanks for your patience and our sincerest apologies for the delays!

[Bakchos]

Hey guys, i just ordered a frame from Trappy, i want a completely new build with this frame, i will keep my x-525 for bashing,
think these esc (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15202__Hobby_King_20A_ESC_3A_UBEC.html) +
these motors (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16229__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30A_750kv_140w.h tml) +
these adapters (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16719__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_Series_Accessory_Pack.h tml) running on 10 x 4.7 will be enough for my 4000 3s, 1.3 400mw VTX, and my Gopro ?

Also, i have a FreeFlight auto level board left over, will this work even if the board is not centered on the spider quad ?

Thanks guys !

[chad2323]

Got my built today have the Naza in it and some NTM 1200 getting allot of wobble but again with have allot of wind outside from that storm here in Fla does anyone else using a Naza and would like too share some settings?

Thank's

[Flying Monkey]

Hey guys, i just ordered a frame from Trappy, i want a completely new build with this frame, i will keep my x-525 for bashing,
think these esc (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15202__Hobby_King_20A_ESC_3A_UBEC.html) +
these motors (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16229__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_30A_750kv_140w.h tml) +
these adapters (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__16719__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_Series_Accessory_Pack.h tml) running on 10 x 4.7 will be enough for my 4000 3s, 1.3 400mw VTX, and my Gopro ?

Also, i have a FreeFlight auto level board left over, will this work even if the board is not centered on the spider quad ?

Thanks guys !

Those motors are totally under powered unless you're using 4s... Or a much lighter quad.

[Bakchos]

Those motors are totally under powered unless you're using 4s... Or a much lighter quad.

any suggestions ?

those ? GoodLuckbuy (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/f2212-brushless-motor-900kv-for-multicopter-kk-multi-copter-quadcopter-.html)

or sunnysky goodluckbuy (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/sunnysky-angel-a2212-2212-980kv-brushless-motor-multicopter-kk-multi-copter-quadcopter.html)

This ? lol im lost here..... 4 pack (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/a2212-13-1400kv-outrunner-brushless-motor-for-rc-helicopter-4-pack.html)

this is what i have on my x-525 with same gear, but i wanted outrunner and not bell type motor. RcTimer (http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=109&productname=)

Here is the result of that motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIk0BBCk38w

[Flying Monkey]

any suggestions ?

those ? GoodLuckbuy (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/f2212-brushless-motor-900kv-for-multicopter-kk-multi-copter-quadcopter-.html)

or sunnysky goodluckbuy (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/sunnysky-angel-a2212-2212-980kv-brushless-motor-multicopter-kk-multi-copter-quadcopter.html)

This ? lol im lost here..... 4 pack (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/a2212-13-1400kv-outrunner-brushless-motor-for-rc-helicopter-4-pack.html)

this is what i have on my x-525 with same gear, but i wanted outrunner and not bell type motor. RcTimer (http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=109&productname=)



Depends on what kind of flying you want to do? Hard and fast, or slow and smooth? Juz really likes these 1200kv motors http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17345__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_26A_1200kv_250w. html

Or if you mostly like to hover and cruise around and want to keep a lower kv these have lots of power
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__19611__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_36_750KV_265W.html

There's also T-motors (expensive). Or really low kv pancake motors like http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17924__NX_4008_620kv_Brushless_Quadcopter_Motor. html or http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17923__NX_4006_530kv_Brushless_Quadcopter_Motor. html

Tim has some nice pancake motors at getfpv.com

Lots of choices... which was is best? Dunno... Have only tested a few myself and it depends on how you like to fly.

[Bakchos]

Depends on what kind of flying you want to do? Hard and fast, or slow and smooth? Juz really likes these 1200kv motors http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17345__NTM_Prop_Drive_Series_28_26A_1200kv_250w. html

Or if you mostly like to hover and cruise around and want to keep a lower kv these have lots of power
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__19611__NTM_Prop_Drive_28_36_750KV_265W.html

There's also T-motors (expensive). Or really low kv pancake motors like http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17924__NX_4008_620kv_Brushless_Quadcopter_Motor. html or http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__17923__NX_4006_530kv_Brushless_Quadcopter_Motor. html

Tim has some nice pancake motors at getfpv.com

Lots of choices... which was is best? Dunno... Have only tested a few myself and it depends on how you like to fly.

i am more into slow smooth filming with the quad.

[Bakchos]

just came across these 200w on 3s
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__14737__Turnigy_L2215J_900_Brushless_Motor_200w_. html

[Enthlapy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbYGgzravFo

[Dallibab]

LOOKING GOOD!

Thanks for the gs files. ill give them a go later today.

[Mechnan]

Trappy: I can't find the contact form so i send a e mail..

[himagain]

Guys please help

I've transferred my 450 naza gear into my new discovery and I seem to have a problem with stability. Basically in attitude mode it is always trying to go backwards.

I've balanced it at the cg, tried multiple battery locations.

Setup my naza, all green arrows in the central position.

And still it flys backwards. I'm beginning to think its a geometry issue with the arms.

Any ideas out there

Cheers

David

[Dallibab]

Tried out Enthlapy's settings today for my cc board so much better thanks :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNvL6HEzK6s

flown and crashed in rate mode..

Just need to get some ear plugs for the video vibrations!

[ChrisG]

Guys please help

I've transferred my 450 naza gear into my new discovery and I seem to have a problem with stability. Basically in attitude mode it is always trying to go backwards.

I've balanced it at the cg, tried multiple battery locations.

Setup my naza, all green arrows in the central position.

And still it flys backwards. I'm beginning to think its a geometry issue with the arms.

Any ideas out there

Cheers

David

Hey mate,

Try these

I'd be looking into you radio set up or a dud pot in your tx causing drift? does the green bar stay in the middle after calibration? Flick the elevator stick and check again?
Or the FC not level?

This frame is a 100% improvement on other spider frames out there, none of the beta testers have reported problems.
Mine is on the way to me now.

[Enthlapy]

Tried out Enthlapy's settings today for my cc board so much better thanks :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNvL6HEzK6s

flown and crashed in rate mode..

Just need to get some ear plugs for the video vibrations!


WOW! Please can you provide details on your build. Motors / ESC's / Props / Battery used? Looks like it works awsome on you setup, you might wana turn down Kp Just a tiny hair. Also was most of that flying in Attitude or Rate? I will share my remote settings too. I fly really aggressive however im forcing my self to smooth out my flying to go between trees and follow cars.

[Enthlapy]

Also do you use a LRS? (433 R/C Link?)

[Bakchos]

Anyone have experience with FreeFlight controller (Auto Balance) or KKboard on this frame ? can it be centered on the middle of the X from motor to motor ?

Also, i will be salvaging my brother DJI f450 from GoodLuckBuy, think This motor (Sunnysky) (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/sunnysky-angel-a2212-2212-980kv-brushless-motor-multicopter-kk-multi-copter-quadcopter.html) will do the job ?

Thanks !

[Enthlapy]

Anyone have experience with FreeFlight controller (Auto Balance) or KKboard on this frame ? can it be centered on the middle of the X from motor to motor ?

Also, i will be salvaging my brother DJI f450 from GoodLuckBuy, think This motor (Sunnysky) (http://www.goodluckbuy.com/sunnysky-angel-a2212-2212-980kv-brushless-motor-multicopter-kk-multi-copter-quadcopter.html) will do the job ?

Thanks !


The FC's should work but will need to be tuned loose due to limited tuning parameters and you will need to turn your rate for pitch and roll diffrently. Your Yaw will also effect overall performance. So Low Rates on Pitch and Yaw. It will fly "loose". Motors should be ok.

[Enthlapy]

Here you go Martin, still needs tuning I need to get over to openpilot and ask them guys as the cc board is a bugger to set up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mOSyiQDl0I
:)

2826 1200kv motors
30 amp flashed esc's
TBS core
apc 10x475 props
1.3 vid with Hugo's fan
DL rx needs to be properly secured but I have no sticky pads at the mo.

Quick question for Trappy, if using the core where would I put a LC filter ? getting some lines in the vid. ?

Thanks

John

Just caught this, what ESC's are you using TGY or BS_NFET? I think you hit a dead spot when you flipped causing loss in roll. Do this before you go flying again. Run Input calibration with the remote maxed on DR. On my 9C it tops out at 140% in roll and pitch. Then set your full rates to 100% When you fly Rate reduce that to about 75% with some expo. Or to your liking. I think if you had SiLabs ESC you wont hit a dead spot im experiancing if your using the NTM Prop motors 1200kv and TGY, BS_NFet esc with this heavy quad. Im guessing your 1300-1500 grams AUW? Maybe more if your running a bigger pack like a 3300.

[Dallibab]

No probs thanks for the setting the gs was driving me mad trying to get it right

Juz motors 2826 1200kv
30 amp hobby king escs flashed with Simons firmware
Dragon link lrs
1.3 800mw vtx with a homemade Hugo windmill (sits lower than the props so out of the way) broke an arm today buy it was still fine.
Control copter board
10 x 4.5 apc props
Only had 3300 4s nano techs from my zephyr so used them today got about 9 - 10 mins out of them. See what you mean about the credit card to get them out now :)
All in rate mode tried attitude but I was fighting it a bit also when rolling it yawed as well
I'll have a mess with the kp tomorrow.

Thanks again :)

John

[Dallibab]

BS_NFET
I think i just panicked never done it before

[Enthlapy]

Please see above for radio calibration. There is a dead spot on that ESC/Motor/AUW combo. The roll when yaw is due to the frame design. Just turn down Kp for yaw and rates. Honeslty im supprized the setup works as well as it does. I would be expecting bigger ossilations than what i've seen. Hit me up on skype later this evening maybe i can get you squared away. Skype = Enthlapy

[Enthlapy]

BTW, i got rid of the lines by making that shield from soda can and braiding all my wires.

[Dallibab]

Tomorrows job sorted! cheers :)

[Enthlapy]

Can i post your video in my build log? Im really excited my setting worked for you, or atleast gave you a good baseline to start from !

[Dallibab]

No problem go for it. Not as happy as me :)

[Enthlapy]

:) If you still need help shoot me a PM, been trying to wean myself off ofthe forums and just fly.

[Bakchos]

Enthlapy, i saw that you are using chainlink, i am too, what antenna do you have on your quads for chainlink ?

[M'ck'y]

I don't see enough performance info on the dji 2212 motors except on the photos from the masters themselves. I thought everyone would want them?low kv, No prop adapters required. They look small compared to those not using them. (patiently waiting for delayed order)

[kloner]

them 2212 are fine for hovering, but you want 28mm or bigger if your gonna fly somewhere, especially in wind. 2810-2812 get some mileage, 1000kv are good with 3 or 4s.

[Enthlapy]

Enthlapy, i saw that you are using chainlink, i am too, what antenna do you have on your quads for chainlink ?


I currently use EzUHF, but i did have chain link at one point in time. I use http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_45_46_50&products_id=184 I think thats what i used on my chain link too.

[Bakchos]

I currently use EzUHF, but i did have chain link at one point in time. I use http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_45_46_50&products_id=184 I think thats what i used on my chain link too.

i meant on the Chainlink RX not TX. sorry

[Enthlapy]

Sanders Style :)

[M'ck'y]

them 2212 are fine for hovering, but you want 28mm or bigger if your gonna fly somewhere, especially in wind. 2810-2812 get some mileage, 1000kv are good with 3 or 4s.

you sure about that?
this surely can't be limited to just hovering in no wind? DJI Flamewheel incl. Electronics (ESC, Motor) (+ US$ 249.95)

[Trappy]

Guys please help

I've transferred my 450 naza gear into my new discovery and I seem to have a problem with stability. Basically in attitude mode it is always trying to go backwards.

I've balanced it at the cg, tried multiple battery locations.

Setup my naza, all green arrows in the central position.

And still it flys backwards. I'm beginning to think its a geometry issue with the arms.

Any ideas out there

Cheers

David

Hi David, put a lighter battery in or move the CG a little forward. The CG point we indicated is primarily for the flight control placement so you can configure it right. If you balance it at CG it may move slightly rearwards. Go about 0.5 inches or 1.5cm in front of the CG point with the weight.

[himagain]

Hey mate,

Try these

I'd be looking into you radio set up or a dud pot in your tx causing drift? does the green bar stay in the middle after calibration? Flick the elevator stick and check again?
Or the FC not level?

This frame is a 100% improvement on other spider frames out there, none of the beta testers have reported problems.
Mine is on the way to me now.


Chris, cheers i tried all that the other day. Flicking sticks and "all green". I fly all my other Naza's with the same tx and no problems.

Could someone please post their NAZA settings

Cheers

David

[Bakchos]

Hey Trappy, will i be getting a email when the quad is shipped ? it says ships on Wed on the site :)

Thanks !!!

p.s. i will show it off at the Quebec FPV meeting in August !!

[Trappy]

please check the shipping update info I posted 2 pages back for exact dates. If your oder contains a CORE it will be shipped after Jul 10th. If your order contains DJI components it should be shipped next Monday. The website is not up to date. I only sleep every 2nd day already, can't keep it updated at the moment ... (you'll see why in a few days :) )

[Bakchos]

please check the shipping update info I posted 2 pages back for exact dates. If your oder contains a CORE it will be shipped after Jul 10th. If your order contains DJI components it should be shipped next Monday. The website is not up to date. I only sleep every 2nd day already, can't keep it updated at the moment ... (you'll see why in a few days :) )

No problem Trappy, thanks for the fast response, my order is only plates and 4 DJI arms.
so it should ship on manday ?

[Trappy]

oh. did you order yesterday? in that case it should get shipped today or tomorrow.

[M'ck'y]

Trappy, how are you finding the dj2212 motors?

[Trappy]

not bad on 4S. maybe a bit weak on 3S. not the most efficient either, but they work ok.

[M'ck'y]

Thanks I gotta make sure I have motors ready for when the discovery arrives. I only have 3s3300 and dont really want to experiment, a proven setup would be a godsend right now as there are so many mixed reviews and multicopter calculators that also have mixed results lol.

[Bakchos]

oh. did you order yesterday? in that case it should get shipped today or tomorrow.

yes ordered yesterday

[Trappy]

as of right now I'd say that Alex' setup is your best bet. If you already have the DJI motors, give them a try on 3S. I never did so far. Still waiting for DJI parts to build one so I could try. They work well on 4S, this is what we tried.

[kloner]

I don't see enough performance info on the dji 2212 motors except on the photos from the masters themselves. I thought everyone would want them?low kv, No prop adapters required. They look small compared to those not using them. (patiently waiting for delayed order)

Your looking at 120 watt motors. a flamewheel hovers at around 140-160 watts for all four on them, but as soon as it gets windy the thing wobbles and after about 25mph wind, doesn't make headway in atti. With 2814 motors, same props, same battery, quad run 600-700 watts in atti, moves out 45 mph, and in wind is a monster to be dealt with. still makes headway, gets more stable in wind than it is without. They have the right amount of power when the quad wants it. in a fpv scenario, more watts available the better. These still hover 120-130 watts on 4s and 9x5 props. is what i've ran since the first trip away from home trying to fpv. have had the kit you want to buy since it was released. i usually carry a 3000 4s pack on top and a 1800 4s pack inside and get 16-17 minute flights if it's not too windy and i try keeping the watts on the 300-400 side when moving forward.

http://www.altitudehobbies.com/brushless-motors/peak-suppo-motors/brushless-motor-peak-480-35-36-1000kv-suppo-2814-8

the 30 amp opto dji esc's are good. the naza great. the arms, bitchen on trappys frame

this is them on a similar frame, same weights, first punchout was in atti, full throttle, second was manual at over 700 watts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR1Ajuk0xyc

vid made with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tf9KrgG4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy_XsZNtbCo

i guess if you were into slow speed keepin it close fpv a 22mm motor would work. the 2217 would be better suited. i've had great luck with suppo brand

EDIT: one other thing, the 2212 come from the factory with the shafts loctited to the bearings so there totally unserviceable. $40 ea, can't swap bearings, prop shaft is permanent one shot the motors done, etc. Theres more bad things about em than good

[Bakchos]

Alot of members talk about DJI arms and dont like them, my brother just trade me his stock Goodluckbuy DJI clone, it has sunnysky motors and 9x5 3 blade props, the flight controller is a FreeFlight, i just installed my rx, did not calibrate anything and took it outside to try, i have been flying quads for about a year (maybe 60 flights) and can say that these arms are very stable, more stable than my X-525 with the same flight controller, so i am sure it will be a blast on the TBS Discovery :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNwR_Zxi0eg

[Trappy]

thanks for this info kloner. We are going the Enthlapy route to offer a 2nd motor system. We have just posted a pretty big order at RCTimer. Or so we thought. They seemed very unimpressed and said it would take 1 day for delivey. Haven't heard from them in 2 days so that's a good sign. I feared that if they made 3-digit figure order motors in 1 day the quality may not be that good :D HK ESCs are also en route, we'll flash them and offer a "White Llama Motor System" pretty soon.

Bakchos, with DJI it's like with ImmersionRC, TBS or other popular brands. Some people hate them, some people love them. If you look at it neutrally probably everything is good, with some small benefits here and some small downsides there.

[kloner]

my discovery made safe and sound. looked like somebody went through it though. everything was unpackaged from it's wrappers, spend 6 days in customs

Whats the best place to grab power for the uhf rx? everything off my board with core installed is 12v. am flying naza and it has a bec,,,,,, whats the best way?

It is tough to beat these arms at $5 a pop

The rctimer motors are alot like the suppo. that sounds like a killer little package. I'm coming back for a camera and another core for my zII. Whats the wait times for the tbs 69 and a core? better to just hold off till your caught up?

[Bakchos]

Trappy, is my frame shipped ? :) :)

is it shipped from far far away from Canada ?

[Trappy]

my discovery made safe and sound. looked like somebody went through it though. everything was unpackaged from it's wrappers, spend 6 days in customs

Whats the best place to grab power for the uhf rx? everything off my board with core installed is 12v. am flying naza and it has a bec,,,,,, whats the best way?

It is tough to beat these arms at $5 a pop

The rctimer motors are alot like the suppo. that sounds like a killer little package. I'm coming back for a camera and another core for my zII. Whats the wait times for the tbs 69 and a core? better to just hold off till your caught up?
Wait time right now for the TBS CORE is 2 weeks. Will be at "instant shipping" for quite some time after we've caught up with the pending orders.

The power for the EzUHF is supplied automatically. You just need to hook up the NAZA properly, it will come from the MPU or whatever that thing with the LED is called. You can connect that to any of the available solder pads.


Trappy, is my frame shipped ? :) :)

is it shipped from far far away from Canada ?
Yeah the kingdom of Far Far Away is the current HQ for TBS. We're protected by Shrek and Donkey is our chief financial advisor :) For shipping information please refer a few posts back the shipping schedule.

[Bakchos]

Yeah the kingdom of Far Far Away is the current HQ for TBS. We're protected by Shrek and Donkey is our chief financial advisor :) For shipping information please refer a few posts back the shipping schedule.

No problem Trappy, i did check schedule but after that you said this "oh. did you order yesterday? in that case it should get shipped today or tomorrow."
So we are now tomorrow :) i am not pushing, just asking because i feel like a kid before xmas !!

[Trappy]

oh, right. Sorry. It should have been shipped ... but our shipping guy is currently a little overwhelmed. As is our post office. Maybe he shipped it and hasn't marked it in the city yet. If it didn't ship today it should get shipped Monday. Sorry about the delays.

Have been practicing quads for quite a bit today. Got about 10 flights in without damage, then broke 2 graupner props in a high speed dive going between two trees (or should I say "through" them? :D) been having a lot of fun with the tourists around here.

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[man2000me]

Received mine in FL. Building tonight.

[Bakchos]

Received mine in FL. Building tonight.

picture/video's or it didn't happen !!

[kloner]

this things worth the wait. It's a sexy little piece of plastic, feels good in the hand, builds super clean

[Bakchos]

i found the secret hideout, look beside the farfaraway sign !!

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[M'ck'y]

Thanks kloner, i'm going with 3s3300 and NTM motors, I hope it will be just a matter of trying different props from there.

[kloner]

that's the thing about these quads that's different from other rc i've messed with is the limited amount of choices of props, why ya want to get the right motors. ya got 10x4-10x5, then 9x5, 8x5, and that's about it. the whole tractor and pusher being available thing and how close they get ta rubbin

Trappy, got a question. When i plug in the little molex wire you sent to the vTx plug, the yellow and white wires align with the opposite on the board where the pads are. yellow lines up with audio, white lines up with video. is the molex wired different order from the pads? or do i need to swap them 2?

edit, figured it out, the wires are right....

[kloner]

Trappy, your whole site works except the discovery page.

http://www.team-blacksheep.com/products/product:98

[kloner]

I've been running around this thing with looking at continuity and notice positive and negative are together. looked and looked and looked then saw this12071

pretty sure that glob of solder is across the positive and negative pins, not suppose to be right? think i splattered myself with the "GENTLY" bump the excess solder off. luckily nothings been fired up yet

does the core short the positive and negative through the circuitry? i still get a soft beep crossing possitive and negative, loud beep when + to + and - to -

[Mechnan]

The soft beep you hear are the capacitors being charged.

[yodajones]

I'm flying with the MT4006's on Graupner props. My "autopilot" settings are 150/155/120/100 and 125/125.

What battery voltage are you using? 3S, 4S LiPo?

[sparkyincali]

I cant seem to see any of the product pages on the TBS website.I really want this frame and to see the info on the tbs osd.

[Enthlapy]

Making TBS Discovery my bitch:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fblsmx5S3CU

[man2000me]

If you order this quad get the core pre soldered. It is def worth it. I sure wish I did.

[kev.au]

mmmmm discovery makes a good bitch!.

[Flying Monkey]

Making TBS Discovery my bitch:



Haha! Forget Nascar!

[FPV FLYER]

You're a fast learner, good job. ;)

[filipinto]

The website is not up to date. I only sleep every 2nd day already, can't keep it updated at the moment ... (you'll see why in a few days :) )[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm... Please tel us what's comming, new airframe? Electronics?
Give us a clue ;)

[Jackella]

excellant control,what vtx/vrx are you using?

[Trappy]

Making TBS Discovery my bitch:
sweet video! what happened at the end?


If you order this quad get the core pre soldered. It is def worth it. I sure wish I did.
sorry about that. the new pin headers will be better. had to order another 10'000 (MOQs are a bitch in china ... LOL), but they are custom made to fit our length this time which will make soldering a lot easier. they should be here for the next batch of DISCOVERYs.


Hmmmm... Please tel us what's comming, new airframe? Electronics?
Give us a clue ;)
a little bit of everything :)

[filipinto]

a little bit of everything :)[/QUOTE]

Sweet :)

[Enthlapy]

Thanks guys, Im using 1280 400mw tx and Crosshair/Skewer throught EE Diversity. I was running a 4s1800mah batt to keep it light, just ran outa juice:P

[filipinto]

do you guys use any kind of EXPO on the TX settings to fly this?

[Mechnan]

I like to use about 30% Expo and 50% Dual rate in Manual Mode (NAZA), to smooth out the neutral point, when I fly smoothly, and for proximity flying about 20% Expo and 70% Dual rate. But as always Expo/Dual rate settings depend on your own preferences :)

[FPV FLYER]

I personally only use about 30% expo on aileron and elevator, rudder sometimes negative expo and no Dual Rates.

[Enthlapy]

Acrobatics 20% Expo 100% throws, that trail run 50% throws 30% expo. The Yaw is sorta slow too keep it locked in so its 100% throws and no expo. Attitude mode for smooth shots, 140 throws -10% expo :)

[Traveller]

Hey guy's, so finally got a chance to maiden my discovery this weekend...
I only flew LOS and she fly's pretty good, i still have tweak her a bit to my flying style.
I must say, she surprised me alot as in how good she already fly's!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawW6e35I6s&list=PL778B807C224E6F7B&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Ps: i'm using Enthlapy's CC setting's.
Ooh and the NTM 1200's Are handeling the 3.3 4s Nano pretty well. Motor's are cool when i cum down.

[filipinto]

thank you guys. going to try it

[Trappy]

Thanks guys for this input. It's good to see people coming forward and admitting to use Expo :) I use 20% / 40% too depending on how I want to fly, but only for manual mode.

Fer, cool video! :)

[Bakchos]

Hello Trappy, has your shipping departement caught up yet ?

Still no email.

Have a good day !!!!

:)

[Dallibab]

nice one you got it going!!

[Traveller]

Thanks guys for this input. It's good to see people coming forward and admitting to use Expo :) I use 20% / 40% too depending on how I want to fly, but only for manual mode.

Fer, cool video! :)

Thanks Trappy!

Ps: I also use Expo ;)

I set it up on a 3-way switch

1/ 100%/-20% (aerobatic rate mode)
2/ 50% /-30% (slow stable rate mode)
3/ 120%/-10% (is for attitude mode)

Ooh for those that don't know it My FC is OP CC.

[Traveller]

nice one you got it going!!

Thanks Dallibab!

Are you still flying the NTM 1200's with 10x4.7 apc's on for 4s? if so how are you motors handling it???
I'm using 8x3.8's and the motor's are cool after the flight :D

[Trappy]

IMPORTANT for all DJI NAZA owners!
TBS DISCOVERY has been inspiring people to push things a little beyond what these devices were made for apparently. When you do high altitude drops or near-vertical proximity runs at low altitude please remember not to go down too much with your throttle or program in a 15% minimum throttle. If you push down very hard and at the same time reduce the throttle all the way, you may experience a very fast pitch up movement followed by complete shutdown of the motors. This is not related to our frame but to the DJI Naza flight control. We will report this issue to DJI tomorrow morning. All dropouts were experienced in ALTITUDE mode, we're doing some tests to see if we can reproduce it in MANUAL mode. all test subjects have so far survived their fall without motors ... :)

[kloner]

We had mentioned something to them about this a few months ago and there response was retarded. Said it's not made for fff fpv, etc. It also has this weird lockover thing after you've been going a while. won't come back to level, full stick deflection slowly reels it in.

TBS needs to carry OP fc's, I'll take 2

[Trappy]

I'm not supposed to say that, but I got a CC3D on the way.

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[firpofra]

You got a good knowledge! CC3D, is the TOP to do freestyle and FPV!

[Traveller]

Auw man Trappy!!! dam you hahahaha! jealous!!!!!!

well to be honest i shouldn't complain, I got 2 CC's :D But i want a CC3D!!!!

[Trappy]

if dankers is up to it we will certainly carry it. CC3D is my kind of product, I'm a huge fan and I haven't even ever owned one :)

[firpofra]

compared to Naza, we must devote a little bit more time, but the result is a completely different kind! totally customizable!

[Trappy]

yeah. well you know, if we can come up with a few set of motor/prop/ESC/battery combinations that will work for everyone, we can also share our gain settings and work on a highly tuned setup and remove a lot of the guess work too. we're working our first RTF quads right now, only pending the TBS CORE now, which will come fairly tuned out of the box - with the NAZA for now.

[Bakchos]

Trappy no news about my order ?

thanks !

[jdm66]

Hi,

have you in stock frame Discovery and naza ?

thank you

jdm66

[Trappy]

frame is in stock, we're missing one cable on the current pending orders that should be supplied tomorrow. The Naza we pick up tomorrow too, but we are already out of stock as the new shipment comes in. We may get 10 more tomorrow, depending how much stock the distributor has available. so please ask me again tomrrow, I will tell you :)

[Trappy]

Trappy no news about my order ?

thanks !
your order is going out tomorrow. I verified that it it was packed today.

[Bakchos]

your order is going out tomorrow. I verified that it it was packed today.

Thank you very much :)

[ssassen]

your order is going out tomorrow. I verified that it it was packed today.

So you didn't pack it yourself and put some Trappy packing tape on? How disappointing! :D

[Trappy]

So you didn't pack it yourself and put some Trappy packing tape on? How disappointing! :D

speaking of packing ... didn't you want to send me some antennas? :)

[ssassen]

speaking of packing ... didn't you want to send me some antennas? :)

I would if I had some, I'll wrap 'm in decorative foil with strings and all and include a nice hand written card, who's that?

[Trappy]

since you're speaking hypothetically ... that's not good :) once you have some, that sounds awesome :D

[Traveller]

You two seriously do work 24/7 don't you? haha

[Bakchos]

Got my shipping email !!

Thanks Trappy !!!

[plingboot]

@trappy, package arrived today - postman now thinks i've been buying ladies sandals… plain brown wrapping next time please, it's what i expect with all my internet purchases ;-)

Quick questions

1. solder XT60 connector directly to the discovery or use a short pigtail?

2. is it ok to drill the top plate (obviously away from the Rx tracks) to mount my VTx antenna ?

3. Anyone happen to have pics of how they've 'neatly' arranged an IRC EzOSD and VTx installation?

thanks